Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:50:07 GMT

I'm bumping this because there are quite a few links to videos and documentaries that might be useful to people who are only now taking an interest in this subject.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:31:13 GMT

With the YouTubes and cs&ps it's like you got stock in the process.

To a certain extent I do. I've been writing, blogging, and participating in forums about this for several years now. I've been horrified for a long time that these people were getting away with sexual slavery, rape and brainwashing on such a large scale and nothing being done about it. During the clergy pedophilia scandal, when people were raging about what was going on in...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Evelyn) — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:50:26 GMT

The DNA testing results will be interesting and may even provide considerable insights into any abusive relationships, but at least it will nail down the family constellations and who the rightful parents are. It remains to be seen how the temporary placements go, but with the scrutiny and attention this is getting, my guess is they'll be able to put these kids in very supportive situations. At least that may be something of a plus.

Having seen a few of the lawyers interviewed,...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (oakarina) — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:34:36 GMT

from CNN late Fri. night,4/18, San Angelo, Texas. A Texas court will keep custody of all 416 children, removed from a polygamous compound, after 2 days of testimony, at a hearing to determine whether the children were properly removed by child welfare authorities, held in crowded day long Texas court proceedings, with dozens of lawyers representing individuals in the case. Judge Barbara Walther, also ordered DNA testing for all 416 children who lived at the YFZ (Yearning For Zion) Ranch in...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (turnstoney) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:24:20 GMT

Get the snark stick out of your ass. With the YouTubes and cs&ps it's like you got stock in the process.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:46:49 GMT

Chill, turnstoney, don't get your undies in a bunch.

I didn't realize we weren't allowed to discuss current issues here without having a solution for them. Clearly I need to re-read the Terms of Service.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (turnstoney) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:44:02 GMT

I ASSume he - like the crowd here - has gnashed teeth and rented garments and, in the end, done nothing. Tsk Tsk.

Good point. let's all just ignore these issues and maybe they'll go away.

So, Gypsy, other than stomping around CAO what exactly have you done about the situation? What's your offer?

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:43:01 GMT

I'm not sure what the point is that you were trying to make in this post , cp ?

Bet I can guess!

Please don't read between the lines.

Why not? That's where the truth usually lurks...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (turnstoney) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:21:07 GMT

Rented garments . Heh.

Heh, indeedy - meant rent, past of rend.

Happy to see the grammar police are on point.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (o Realist o) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:18:15 GMT

elliegal wrote:

Realist wrote:
Facts of Life:

1. Socialization of children is socialization, regardless of the context. Next to impossible to erase the old and to implant new world view, mores, perspectives etc. The embed is always there, lurking at some level.

2. Safety and subsistence, to these women and children, is...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (elliegal) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:17:27 GMT

cp wrote:

From wikidpedia

Rumspringa (also Rumschpringe or Rumshpringa, derived from the German words for 'jumping around') generally refers to a period of adolescence for members of the

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:46:57 GMT

Rented garments . Heh.
It's that Little House on the Prairie look --- drives them wild.

I'm pretty sure the correct tense is just "rent garments"...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (cp) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:33:33 GMT

From wikidpedia

Rumspringa (also Rumschpringe or Rumshpringa, derived from the German words for 'jumping around') generally refers to a period of adolescence for members of the Amish...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (elliegal) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:33:13 GMT

turnstoney wrote:

Anyone know what he's done to assist these abused underage girls and children?
I ASSume he - like the crowd here - has gnashed teeth and rented garments and, in the end, done nothing. Tsk Tsk.

Rented garments . Heh.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:22:47 GMT
Yes, oakarina, but the Amish don't practice polygamy and underage marriage --- let alone statutory rape. In fact many Amish sects practice "rumspringa" - a one year ritual that young people are encouraged to participate in when, at the end of adolescence, they are encouraged to leave the group, live in the world, date and party like other young people their age, and then make the determination whether they want to return to their communities or not.

And they do NOT...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (oakarina) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:15:15 GMT
Unfortunately, in my own professional experience teaching in a rural area, we saw waaay too much child abuse. fear, sadness in the eyes of our very young students, barely able to read, express themselves, go outdoors, ride school buses, without fear, much less protect themselves from monsters of all ilks, as those we are reading about this week. Not only that, but they were poor,hungry, and cold all the time, in long northern winters. That was 40 years ago.

Now the warnings are out...

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:15:03 GMT

...what more do we need to know than sex with minors is an apparent norm?

The news reports indicate that many of these underage girls they removed are pregnant. Now we all know that teenage girls get pregnant all the time but the fact that the mothers interviewed refused to answer questions about their sexual practices in the compound certainly conflicts with all their protestations about how wholesome and normal their lifestyle is.

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Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Evelyn) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:11:17 GMT
While I can agree with you in theory, pgncov, where do you draw the legal line? It seems to me that if a person is living in a place where sex with minors is against the law, then they should be fully subject to the letter and intent of the law. I really see this as a cut and dried issue in that regard. Certainly we make allowances for respecting some religious practices, but sexual abuse (as defined by law) sure as hell shouldn't be one of them.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:10:58 GMT
Yes, but if they want to find a reason to hate us, they'll find it regardless of what we do. Why care what they think? From message boards to world politics if a person is determined to find a reason to hate, they'll find it.

Re: Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (pgncov) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:06:05 GMT
Gypsy. Of course I'm not saying we should compromise our standards. What I am saying is our standards are not universal and other countries do not share our revulsion about these issues. It dosen't mean that we are smart and they are stupid. It just means that people coming from a different culture see things differently.

Should these mothers be allowed contact with their children?

feeds@yuku.com (Gypsy) — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:36:38 GMT
Ever since reading Under the Banner of Heaven, I have been very concerned by the growing FLDS (Fundamentalist Mormon) sects in this country. Mormonism is believed to be the fastest growing religion in the country and, while the FLDS is not the same as the mainstream Mormon Church, the FLDS believes that mainstream Mormonism is heresy. This situation in Texas may be the largest child custody case in the US --- and just the tip of the iceberg.

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