volunter fire department in magnolia

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feeds@yuku.com (mya crakstinks) — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:45:42 GMT

thats why we need volunteers

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feeds@yuku.com (Lucky One) — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:43:12 GMT

oops forgive my typo I meant 21 a shift per the 1992 study,and i do think the city considers the FD staffed. And for you poo pooers of the contract, if that contract was not there, you would have less on duty than you do now. it is that union contract that keeps the department intact at all.

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feeds@yuku.com (Lucky One) — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:40:46 GMT

First off, NFPA standards and the study of 1992 are being confused. In 1991, which was not much different with stations closed and layoffs stated there shoud be 2 firefighters a shift on duty,and at the time there was on average 3,000 runs a year. The FD now runs with 13 minimum, unless there are people sick and hurt, which is occuring more often due to the lack of staffing.

NFPA 1710 clearly states there should be a minimum of 4 FF on a truck 3 FF and 1 officer and the Deputy Chief...

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feeds@yuku.com (Insider2004) — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:03:40 GMT

Y Develop, thanks for the cheap shot.

I'm not muddying any waters.

The minimum manning #s are recommendations from NFPA. The minimum manning that is MANDATED (that WAS the question) is not dictated by the city nor the union. It is mandated by the agreement between the City and the union and that agreement is called a contract. I hope that clears things up.

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feeds@yuku.com (SaveCapeAnn) — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:36:56 GMT

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feeds@yuku.com (lake st) — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:58:43 GMT

mya crakstinks wrote:
have guys on waiting list cover shifts

Brilliant idea, with a couple of road blocks that would have to be worked out.
1.The people that you speak of on the "waiting list" are not employees of the city.
2. They are not trained, and you cannot put yourself through the recruit training program at the fire academy.
3. It cost's...

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feeds@yuku.com (mya crakstinks) — Tue, 06 May 2008 16:10:04 GMT

when mutual aid is on and volunteer firemen come in from manchester rockport and essex do we use them?

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feeds@yuku.com (Flip) — Tue, 06 May 2008 16:06:26 GMT

The contract calls for a 17 man minimum. If the funding is not there the city does not have to honor which they don't. Thirty years ago it was 21 men with a 96 man department. I your looking to cut , forget it, it's bare bones now. If the department was cut, the layed off people would mostly be paramedics who were the last hired. That would cut into the $800,000 in revenue the squads bring in.

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feeds@yuku.com (Mike Hunt) — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:35:24 GMT

ckcaney wrote:
So it's the City who mandates number of ff's to be considered "fully staffed"?
And that mandate is based on the reco from NFPA?
Am I correct?

I'm not sure the City considers us "fully staffed". Even their own study done in the 90's indicated we were severely understaffed. The NFPA guidelines are just recommendations. As in any business, people...

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feeds@yuku.com (Y DEVELOP) — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:08:24 GMT

No, it's the contract between the City and the union that mandates staffing.

Insider you are great at murkying the waters. Your statement is half the truth and totally misleading. Indeed the contract between the city and the union dictate the staffing. However, the the contract is based on machinery and the number of personnel needed to operate it safeley and effectively. As it stands I believe all machinery is under manned by NFPA standards. Poor DCS has gone...

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feeds@yuku.com (Insider2004) — Tue, 06 May 2008 14:47:38 GMT

No, it's the contract between the City and the union that mandates staffing.

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feeds@yuku.com (ckcaney) — Tue, 06 May 2008 14:12:16 GMT

So it's the City who mandates number of ff's to be considered "fully staffed"?
And that mandate is based on the reco from NFPA?
Am I correct?

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feeds@yuku.com (mya crakstinks) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:57:42 GMT

have guys on waiting list cover shifts

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feeds@yuku.com (Mike Hunt) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:42:09 GMT

NFPA Standards suggest 3 men on each outskirt pump. That is only a recommendation. The City uses some of the recommendations as a guideline. Apparently not staffing, though. When we had enough people to cover the vacations, overtime was minimal. As people retired/moved on, they were not replaced. That is where the problem lies. When I came on, there were 96 here, now there is 74, I think.

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feeds@yuku.com (mya crakstinks) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:34:45 GMT

not without a new union contract

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feeds@yuku.com (ckcaney) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:30:48 GMT

I know we've been through this before, but who mandates the number of men required to "fully staff"? Is that the Union or the State or the City?

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feeds@yuku.com (Mike Hunt) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:29:20 GMT

ckcaney wrote:

I would like to see some cut back/management in overtime though, I wouldn't want this fund bled by overtime (time and half) charges.

The problem is is that we are understaffed to fully man the stations 24/7 - so you either have to hire new people or pay the overtime. There simply isn't enough people to go around.

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feeds@yuku.com (ckcaney) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:22:55 GMT

"Would any of you be willing to support an override - exclusively for the FD - to fully fund the stations ?"

Simple, YES.

I would like to see some cut back/management in overtime though, I wouldn't want this fund bled by overtime (time and half) charges.

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feeds@yuku.com (Mike Hunt) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:19:07 GMT

Just sitting back reading the pros and cons here. Let me ask a question without all the rhetoric.

Would any of you be willing to support an override - exclusively for the FD - to fully fund the stations ?

Try not to be vulgar and call each other names, a yes or no with an explanation would be fine.

Again, this proposed override would go directly to opening the stations (not including the schools as last time).

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feeds@yuku.com (ckcaney) — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:07:50 GMT

I will not vote for an override unless the monies are mandated to be used for specific line items. If it the override was written as such, I'd be glad to vote yes for an override.

The discussion at hand is working with what we have - the override was voted down and now we are coming up with alternate solutions for taking care of ourselves.

volunter fire department in magnolia

feeds@yuku.com (mya crakstinks) — Sun, 04 May 2008 17:05:25 GMT

word is it will be online in july