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leftwingnut |
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Maybe Damon's marine science institute could go there...
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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But it was shot down by the obstructionists, correct?Over and over - despite requested architectural changes. The amount of money put out by the potential future owner to fund architectual renderings, construction company quotes etc. must have been huge. Not to mention the time spent.
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Damon |
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As far as I know, the single family proposal was worked out between the Historical Commission and the owner and all approvals were obtained. I went to one of
the meetings between the architect and the developer and the commission and all seemed to be on track. I do not know what the problem is presently.
I thought the first condo proposal was wildly inappropriate and opposed it strongly. There is little point in having zoning regulations if you are to give variances for projects that are just the opposite of what is allowed. However the single family proposal seemed well within the law and it is in a single family neighborhood of mostly expensive homes. The property is in both the MI (Marine Industrial) and residential zoning districts and single family dwellings are allowed by right. However multi-family structures are not. I doubt if it is a haz mat site. Although nasty stuff was used there, the five buildings sit mostly on hard rock, and the reports I saw were encouraging. Damon |
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Evelyn |
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Or even if possible, the costs might now be so prohibitive as to make it not feasible. It's just a damned shame. Do the obstructionists have any even
remote sense of regret now that it's turned out the way it has?
Gloucester has the PF; Rockport has the tool company. Such craziness. |
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Dayglo2 |
Paint Factory | ||
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I was sure that Fire would destroy the property ,not so sure now,looks like it is just gonna fall down.
It's to bad,I would have rather seen the first plan for a few condo's. Must be nice to own waterfront property? |
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jackj22 |
Shame on Maggie Rosa | ||
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I don't think the Historical Commission has yet given their stamp of approval to allow the project to move forward. By her reluctance to sign-off on the
project, Maggie Rosa has effectively hit Tarr and Wonson's with the death penalty.
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Martin Del Vecchio |
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Let me see if I understand this:
1) The Paint Factory is a landmark, and should be preserved. 2) Previous owners of the property tried to convert it to private use, in ways that would have destroyed the outside of the property. 3) The process steered the current owner toward a single-family home project, which preserves the outward appearance of the property. 4) For reasons unknown, those plans have not yet been implemented. So the "obstructionists" who wanted to preserve the Paint Factory are actually at fault? And not the original property owners? And not the current property owners? Everything I have been reading about this property in the last 10 years or so indicates that the "obstructionists" were the only ones fighting to preserve the Paint Factory. |
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Dayglo2 |
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I was sure that Fire would destroy the property ,not so sure now,looks like it is just gonna fall down.
It's to bad,I would have rather seen the first plan for a few condo's. Must be nice to own waterfront property? |
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Y DEVELOP |
Y BE AN IGNORANT ASS | ||
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Anybody who wants to buy that property and put a new stucture on it should. That's not DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IMPROVEMENT. However, jamming it with
duplexes would be CRIMINAL, IMO. The world changes - deal with it.
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NightStalker |
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owner (or developer) probably waiting for it to fall, then pick up the pieces and build anew with something else. once the old icon is gone it should clear the
path for something else.
"All of this could be yours... just give me what I want and nobody gets hurt"
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globalwarmer07 |
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Its going to fall into the ocean.....And then the drama will begin in ernest. Then we will pass a giant empty lot for the next 20 years. Makes for better view
for the abutters though.
SHould have been a marina, a restaurant, and overnight dockage for tourists. |
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mya crakstinks |
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why not make paint there
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Roxie |
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Damon wrote:
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Rainbucket |
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Realist |
Good Read for Actual Background Info | ||
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The rest of the story: details of negotiations regarding renovation of the Paint Factory
By Richard Gaines
Barbara Shailor, deputy provost for the arts, and a second Yale official paid a weekend visit to the city last month at the invitation of historian and Yale graduate Richard Rosenfeld, who said he hatched the idea to interest Yale in Gloucester. One potential site is the old Paint Factory, with two acres and six buildings on Rocky Neck, where copper paint was first formulated to improve the seaworthiness of the last of the great wooden-hulled ships. Through a spokesman, Shailor declined to discuss her visit, which included a meeting with Mayor John Bell and the mayor's father Harold, who is a Yale graduate and the retired president of the Cape Ann Historical Association. While here, Shailor also met with members of the Rocky Neck art community and visited galleries. Others who met with Shailor included Bernard Chaet, a Rockport resident and professor emeritus of the Yale School of Art. Chaet said he met with the Yale delegation in the mayor's office. "They asked me a lot of questions at the mayor's luncheon," said Chaet. "People (at Yale) would love the idea" of coming to Gloucester for the summer. "It's a wonderful place for painters," he said. "It would be wonderful if Yale wanted to do something." Chaet cautioned that Yale's interest was preliminary. "If they're interested," he said, "I'll be their consultant." Chaet noted that for more than a decade, Yale has been rewarding a student a year with a $5,000 stipend to spend two weeks in Gloucester to paint. Chaet, 82, a distinguished painter whose work is in numerous museums, said that in 1967 he took a leave as director of the Yale Summer School to paint on Cape Ann and never went back to New Haven. Rosenfeld revealed the effort to interest Yale in Gloucester last week at a meeting of the Historical Commission, called to discuss a developer's stalled effort to convert the abandoned Paint Factory into a waterfront mansion. An icon of the city's marine past, the Paint Factory may be the most obvious, but not the only site for a satellite campus of the Ivy League university based in New Haven, Conn. Rosenfeld's estate on Rocky Neck overlooks the Paint Factory. A benefactor of Yale, as evidenced by a residential hall bearing his name, Rosenfeld has been active in the more than year-long negotiations between the Historical Commission and the factory's owner and would-be developer, Vahid Nickpour. Nickpour has agreed to grant the commission's request for a facade easement insuring that the exterior of the 19th century industrial complex remains permanently unchanged in a form approved by the city after it becomes a private home. But negotiations have bogged down. The commission has demanded detailed elevations of the intended final appearance of the factory; Nickpour so far has declined to provide these. A number of previous efforts to redevelop the property stalled over the often contradictory requirements of federal, state and local permitting authorities, and passionate local determination that it remain an authentic relic. Nickpour and the city are concerned that neglect and age are taking a rapid toll on the Paint Factory, which hasn't been used since the 1980s. On Aug. 2, Nickpour acceded to a request from the Historical Commission that he secure and "button up" the property within a month. The work has not commenced, but Rosenfeld told the commission last week that Nickpour had called him from the Paint Factory to reassure him the work would be done. Should Nickpour's effort to convert the factory into a home remain frustrated or falter - he has appealed to the Historical Commission to help him win the multiple sign-offs still required - the option of redeveloping the singular property could be transferred, as it has before. Then-owner Paul Quinn sold an option in the 1990s to would-be condo developers, who were unable to acquire local permits. Earlier this decade, builder Anthony Giacalone was thwarted in his hope to convert it into a mansion. When Nickpour acquired the property, he took over Giacalone's local permits and began intense negotiations with the Historical Commission. Nickpour could not be reached yesterday. The Historical Commission's Thomas O'Keefe asked Rosenfeld, sitting in the audience last Wednesday night, about the rumors of Yale's interest. He answered that "an associate provost" and another Yale official were "in discussions about establishing a facility on Rocky Neck." Rosenfeld said, "My impression is they were impressed with Gloucester and its history." He said the rough model for what Yale might create here is a much smaller version of Yale's Summer School of Music in Norfolk, Conn. Located on an estate willed to the university, the School of Music has become a summer campus and performance center. "Yale has no facility for graduate students of art," said Rosenfeld. He suggested that students would be inspired to work where Fitz Henry Lane, Edward Hopper and many other important painters worked in the 19th and 20th centuries, helping create the summer art colony on Rocky Neck. The residents of a Yale studio here, he said, could work where the masters worked and "compare their work to the masters." Mayor Bell said he hosted a group from Yale in his office "to explain the opportunities in Gloucester." The matchmaking began just as the Yale School of Art was preparing for a new dean: artist and curator Robert Storr, whose father, Richard Storr, has a home in Annisquam. Richard Storr said the events were coincidental. Reached in Toronto, he said he did not hear about Yale's interest in Gloucester from his son but instead in casual conversation with a friend in Annisquam. O'Keefe said he questioned Rosenfeld because "a lot of whispering is being done. Let it out there." |
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