Nice picture.
Sigurdr, you're the one who raised the Mike Faherty issue. Do you know what it cost the City?
Sigurdr, you're the one who raised the Mike Faherty issue. Do you know what it cost the City?
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Road details -- a step in the right direction
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(04/03/08 03:25 PM) |
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(04/03/08 03:31 PM) |
Ok, Insider, I'll bite. Since it should only take about 5 minutes to research, I am sure you have already done so(if you point me in the right direction,
I will do it)but, for the sake of moving forward, I'll ask you, what did it cost?
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100Daze |
How much did the Faherty thing cost the City and State? | ||
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(04/03/08 03:34 PM) |
How much did it cost the city to file then dismiss the criminal complaint? You'll have to ask the police prosecutor...
How much will the details cost taxpayers/ratepayers through the life of the CSO project? At the current estimate of $40 Million, we might spend as much as $4 Million directly on the details, plus another $4 Million on the debt service. I've read we have a boat in the harbor named "Details". Can't be long till we have one named "CSO"... |
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(04/03/08 03:42 PM) |
Penelope,
I'm waiting for those who are ranting to do the research. I'm slightly surprised that they haven't. Are you? |
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Sigurdr |
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(04/03/08 03:47 PM) |
Insider2004 wrote: Thanks for bringing me into this mess Insider, but you have me all wrong. I just went through the 6 pages of this thread trying to figure out where I
brought up Mike Faherty as you claim. I couldn't find ONE post that I made, I was not part of this thread until the horse picture! The above quote can be
credited to globalwarmer, not me.
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Insider2004 |
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(04/03/08 03:51 PM) |
Sigurdr,
There were two comments, one from global and one from someone and I believed it was you. I couldn't find it either, so I figured you had edited out. My apologies. I'm still waiting for the people who are most passionately against this to show me how much this scenario cost the City. I think they owe it to all of us to demonstrate the facts they used to derive their position. |
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(04/03/08 03:53 PM) |
last i checked it didn't cost the city anything. faherty doesn't work for the city and the other detail actually paid 10% to the city. people think they will see a decrease in there utility bills. i wouldn't bet on it. it will only pad the pockets of the big wigs. i'm just curious how much money the police dept. brings into the city with parking tickets, details, citation's ect. i think it would suck if that all ended. the school dept. wouldn't get there raise. |
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(04/03/08 04:13 PM) |
Excellent diversionary tactic creating the red herring of Faherty rather than discuss the very real abuse of details...my guess is you don't work in the
"dreaded" private sector insider!...
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(04/03/08 04:41 PM) |
It cost the city $176. $160 for the 4 hours that MF refused to pay and half the "fee" of $32
"All of this could be yours... just give me what I want and nobody gets hurt"
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lake st |
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(04/03/08 05:20 PM) |
Great job in Ward 1 Jason, oh BTW I just had the front end of my car fixed again because of the decrepit condition of the roads in East Gloucester. Why
don't you concentrate on your ward and stop trying to reform the state ASSHOLE! Now on to the subject at hand, Jason if you and your ilk are able to reform
Police Details for public projects how long will take for me to see a reduction of what I pay in taxes? ASSHOLE...........
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jasongrow |
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(04/03/08 05:22 PM) |
Thanks for the post Lake, I would answer that if we spent less money on road details, we might get to spend a bit more on actually repairing the roads. JG
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Apocalypse |
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(04/03/08 05:43 PM) |
Tell us how you really feel about the cops Jason, they alone are bankrupting the city? Lake is right you are an asshole, put the blame where it belongs,
it's citywide including councilors who take the health benefits only available to full time employees. Why don't you just go down to the PD and punch a
cop in the head, maybe that will get it out of your system. Better yet call your friend SCA and he'll fly you in on a helicopter, he'll be picking up
Mike McLeod.
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fishman54 |
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(04/03/08 06:09 PM) |
jg, you really think that if they get rid of details the city will be fixing this shit hole called gloucester. they will find something stupid to spend the
money on. gloucester will still be the same old dump that it is. the taxes will still be high, the roads will still be shit, and the buildings will still be
falling apart. please go back to california with the rest of the yuppies.
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Insider2004 |
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(04/03/08 06:18 PM) |
Here's the breakdown.
Said officer worked for (and should have been paid) by Michael Faherty. The contractual agreement Mr. Faherty entered into was for a four hour minimum at $40/hour. Mr. Faherty should have been billed $160. Mr. Faherty did not need said officer and released him from his duty. Mr. Faherty could have kept said officer at the site for the contracted time. Immediately following that, National Grid needed an officer and none but the one released by Faherty was available. Said officer responded to the request from National Grid to enter into a contractual agreement with the City of Gloucester. That agreement calls for a four hour minimum. Note: National Grid did not complain about the terms of the contract. The City paid said officer $320. The City also sent out two bills, one to Mr. Faherty and one to National Grid for $176 each, adding the City's 10% cut of this arrangment. The staff time involved to send a bill to an existing customer is minimal (the click of a button). Subtract out the 41 cents for each piece of mail and the 2 cents for the paper, and the City actually profits by $175.14. If said payee does not pay within 30 days, the City adds interest (I believe about 12%). But wait, there's more. That detail pay does not reflect in said officer's retirement benefits, however, he is taxed on it, (both by the federal and state government). Gloucester sees a very, very small amout of that back in state aid. (hey if I'm counting stamps we might as well count it all). As far as I'm concerned, the more Mike Faherty situations that happen, the better. Unless you don't like the City having more money to spend (which is a different conversation) or if you don't like to see someone else make money. I hope this helps. |
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Insider2004 |
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(04/03/08 06:37 PM) |
To Councilor Grow
If you took police details out of water and sewer projects, it would reduce ratepayers expenses, but it would not free up more money to use on other areas of the budget. |
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(04/03/08 07:01 PM) |
Maybe I'm just tired ....
The City paid said officer $320. The City also sent out two bills, one to Mr. Faherty and one to National Grid for $176 each ... (billed out $352.00) ...... the City actually profits by $175.14 (?) What's the workers comp rate for a police officer? ...... Answered my own question: they're excluded from the comp system and guaranteed full pay by law if they are incapacitated for duty while on duty.
Last Edited By: Roxie
04/03/08 07:19 PM.
Edited 3 times.
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100Daze |
Where's the logic? | ||
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(04/03/08 07:16 PM) |
Rather than seeing Councilor Grow as the bad guy here, the comments of Fishman, Apocalypse, and Lake St beg the question as to the mental health of some of our
local police officers... "Why don't you just go down to the PD and punch a cop in the head?" I hope that's not how Apocalypse normally
handles his aggressions, particularly when he's handing out a traffic ticket. "ASSHOLE...ASSHOLE...ASSHOLE..." Thank God for the Quin Bill,
otherwise we might have read ASSWHOLE, ASWHOLE, or ASSHOLL! (Begging another question: Does the class in proper spelling of vulgarities rate a 5% bump in pay
or 10%, I can never remember...)
And Insider, for one who purports to always be in the know, you've twisted the facts in your financial breakdown. From the GDT coverage of the bruhaha last November: "At issue is a policy, dictated by the union, that says an officer working a private detail must be paid for a minimum of eight hours, no matter how many hours he or she actually works. In Faherty's case, the officer worked about two hours." The problem with details isn't who pays. The problem is that the details are, in fact, usually an unnecessary waste of funds -- public and private -- and the argument that they somehow protect public safety to greater advantage than civilian flagmen or simple orange cones is pure fallacy. I believe our police officers -- like all our public employees -- should be paid a livable wage. But I see little reason or excuse to allow this pigfest on the public (or private) teat to continue. If we weren't bridling ourselves with perhaps $8 Million in details and related bonding on the CSO project, we could actually raise salaries of our police officers for their real police work. Fancy that. To argue that anyone -- policeman, fireman, school teacher, plumber, air traffic controller, lawyer, doctor, priest, anyone... -- is entitled to this wicked graft simply because of their job and their supposed underpayment is grossly asinine and lacking in any inkling of logic. Arguing that anyone who points these facts out is "anti-police" is equally asinine and illogical. In all of these posts, there's not been a single cogent argument that makes the case for the public safety need for details. Not one. That's far more telling than someone screaming asshole... |
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Phil Laysheo |
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(04/03/08 07:29 PM) |
Must have been a slow day on the city payroll, Insider was allowed to play all day on our tax dollars. Her husband was probably one of the donut eaters playing
pocket pool on Pleasant St while it was completly blocked off to traffic.
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lake st |
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(04/03/08 07:30 PM) |
Posting under an alias( 100Daze ) now Jason, ASSHOLE......................
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100Daze |
He's not me... | ||
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(04/03/08 08:21 PM) |
How many Quin classes did it take for you to learn how to spell "alias" and "asshole", Lake?
I'm not Jason, by the way: my spouse is too worried about the mental stability of shitheads like you to let me post under my real name. Too much fear of tickets, slashed tires and harassment of relatives... I always thought it was over-reacting till you and your weight loss buddies started weighing in. And what's that story about the pot and the kettle, "Lake"? Back up your eloquent "ASSHOLE" commentary with your name, and I'll back up my statements with mine. Insider, not to answer for the councilor, but: if we didn't have the debt service for the unnecessary details, we'd have that much more in the general fund to fund salaries, etc. Just because it's bonded, doesn't mean it's not ultimately coming out of the taxpayer pocket. |
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