As far as this project goes I agree with Damon different organizations contribute differently to our community. This type of development is an investment in Gloucester's rich history and natural resources.
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On the property tax front, Wellspring always makes a big deal that they pay theirs eventhough they are expempt.
As far as this project goes I agree with Damon different organizations contribute differently to our community. This type of development is an investment in Gloucester's rich history and natural resources. |
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Again I will state for the record that I am for any project that can get through the permitting process.
I would just like to point out a couple things for folks to chew on. The people that screamed and jumped up and down that the Paint Factory needed to be saved and preserved as an icon are silent. The people that screamed that there would be too much traffic on Rocky Neck with 6 condos are silent. Mission Ocean Alliance is dedicated to the conservation of whales and our ocean environment through research and education. We combine scientific research with global, from-the-field education as a means of improving humanity's understanding of ocean life, the crucial importance of conserving it and inspiring awareness in children through hands-on, interactive science learning. It would be way beyond ironic if the folks that tear down the Paint Factory to build a tax exempt research facility put our lobstermen and fishermen out of business to save the whales. Again for the record I am all for someone that wants to invest dollars in Gloucester. I just want to make sure the hypocrites that screamed about the traffic before and saving the structure of the Paint Factory are called out on it the next time they play the obstructionist card on a project funded with private dollars by entrepreneurs trying to make a living.
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I don't get how the research facility will put lobstermen and fishermen out of business.
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Some whale groups have lobbied long and hard to stop commercial fishing in areas. They have powerful lobbies.
I don't know the folks from Ocean Alliance. I hope they aren't one of these groups.
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I hope they aren't one of those groups either.
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Hey, who knows, maybe they will work within the same footprint of the Paint Factory and keep the lettering on the outside just like the people that would have
put in the condos.
I guess until we hear from them it's all speculation anyway. Good luck to them.
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Perhaps we should be finding that out?
Full agreement with you, CaptJoe on the "hypocrites". |
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From what I understand, people supporting the Ocean Alliance are advocates of the fishing industry. Fingers crossed.
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This is their web site: Ocean Alliance
My understanding of their position is that they are very much opposed to the huge, "factory" whale watching vessels that many companies run but are supportive of the smaller whale watch vessels that try to respect the whales natural environment. The complaints that most fishermen that I know of make are against the huge boats that go plowing out there, tearing up everything in their path and that chase the whales down and try to get as close to them as they can. I met Dr. Payne (who founded Ocean Alliance) some years back at a fund-raiser and he is concerned with conservation first. I remember that in his speech he emphasized that while he thought whale watches had their merits he was very opposed to the ones that tried to get too close to the whales with no respect for their habitat. I suspect that he feels about fishing like he does about whale watching --- as long as they don't rape and pillage the oceans, as has gone on for too long, he would be supportive.
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Enjoy! Whale Song
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least
for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us.
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A few years ago I resigned from the Heritage Center board of directors because they invited the Stellwagen Bank National Marine Sanctuary in to share the
facility. I thought it totally inappropriate for the organization dedicated to Gloucester's maritime heritage to host a federal agency that is
fundamentally no matter what they say anti-fishing and part of NOAA to boot. Right or wrong about their position and attitude, they are not Gloucester's
Maritime Heritage. Read the whole Gloucester Times today for more on that. For that reason I am a bit nervous about this group. However they have made a two
million dollar investment in our community so far and they are not the feds and they have been here with their ship at the railways on Rocky Neck for a couple
of years without harassing anyone so more power to them as far as I am concerned.
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I knew you left the Heritage Center but I didn't know why... that is a shame and their loss.
I am optimistic about the Ocean Alliance presence here. I hope they will bring more in to the community than a lot of other options would have.
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I left their board but continued as a volunteer until last spring when they came after me for delinquent dues. I am a devout cheapskate.
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I would like to know what Oak thinks about this?
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Gypsy |
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Cal and Patrick missed you last summer. I send them Capt. Joe's photos of you and they always love those!
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I can't believe, that after all the time you have put into that organization, that they are coming to you for their paltry dues money. Are you kidding? It
seems like they should award your efforts with an honorary lifetime membership. Shame on them for their association with Stellwagon Bank Sanctuary and shame on
them twice for their harrasment of you.
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LOL -say Hi !
I was accused of taking advantage of the programs without supporting the place. It happened to be just after I rented a big box truck myself to drive to Portland Maine to pick up a load of black floatation boxes for their floats. I was not happy. I am more and more unhappy. Wish the subject had not come up. I get angry every time I think about it. Damon |
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Oh, by the way, although the single family home project negotiated for keeping the facade pretty much intact, the original condo project did not really do so
and would not actually commit to anything but demolition.
From what I have heard of the present plan, it is to keep the historic look of the plant, but I have not seen plans. Damon |
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I was accused of taking advantage of the programs without supporting the place. ![]() ![]() Don't get me started on people who think like that!!! Most people are genuinely appreciative of those who volunteer their time, energy, and
talents for the various causes that they believe in but there is a certain pathetic, small-minded, venal, idiotic contingent that always attempt to denigrate
volunteers but insisting that they are only doing it because they get something out of it! That kind of thinking just disgusts me. People who donate time and
talent to the betterment of any cause are to be commended endlessly. But there is that small, nasty-minded few that just cannot be appreciative and tries to
ruin everything.
/rant (for now)
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least
for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us.
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those orgs drive me nuts heritge center adventure allways talk about how mutch they no about fishing not a working fishermen among them the stellwagen bank org
used fishermen to get it declard a sancuary and promissed fishing would allways be aloud. our friend warned us of this damon
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