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mya crakstinks |
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have guys on waiting list cover shifts
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ckcaney |
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So it's the City who mandates number of ff's to be considered "fully staffed"?
And that mandate is based on the reco from NFPA? Am I correct? |
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Insider2004 |
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No, it's the contract between the City and the union that mandates staffing.
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Y DEVELOP |
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No, it's the contract between the City and the union that mandates staffing.Insider you are great at murkying the waters. Your statement is half the truth and totally misleading. Indeed the contract between the city and the union dictate the staffing. However, the the contract is based on machinery and the number of personnel needed to operate it safeley and effectively. As it stands I believe all machinery is under manned by NFPA standards. Poor DCS has gone on about this ad nauseum and I am still perplexed why the populace does not get it. As far as an override goes it is a one year fix as the money returns to the general fund in the next year. So we could do an override every year to keep the FD open 24/7. I don't believe anybody really wants that. There are no easy answers and everybody wants to go to sleep at night believing we are safe but what do we want to pay for that safety? |
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Mike Hunt |
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ckcaney wrote: I'm not sure the City considers us "fully staffed". Even their own study done in the 90's indicated we were severely understaffed. The
NFPA guidelines are just recommendations. As in any business, people have sick time and vacations. Unlike any business, we need to cover positions when people
are out..... if there are not enough people per group, either the stations close or you pay the overtime to keep them open. We are understaffed for what we are
doing, pure and simple.
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Flip |
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The contract calls for a 17 man minimum. If the funding is not there the city does not have to honor which they don't. Thirty years ago it was 21 men with
a 96 man department. I your looking to cut , forget it, it's bare bones now. If the department was cut, the layed off people would mostly be paramedics who
were the last hired. That would cut into the $800,000 in revenue the squads bring in.
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mya crakstinks |
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when mutual aid is on and volunteer firemen come in from manchester rockport and essex do we use them?
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lake st |
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mya crakstinks wrote: Brilliant idea, with a couple of road blocks that would have to be worked out.
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SaveCapeAnn |
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Group raises bar for Gloucester High public safety display
By Ray Lamont Staff writer Rescue crews will be cutting apart a wrecked car outside Gloucester High School tomorrow morning. But there'll be no need for alarm - and this story isn't clairvoyant when it comes to life-threatening car crashes. The display will be part of an expanded public safety show intended to provide students and adults alike with a close-up look at the effects of drunken driving - and other forms of substance abuse and dangerous behavior. The program, coordinated through Gloucester's Citizens for Public Safety, builds on the often-used props of showing students real-life films from drunken-driving accident scenes, or showcasing a wrecked car from a drunken-driving crash. "When we spoke with (Gloucester High Principal) Joe Sullivan about this last year, he not only welcomed it, he told us to make it as realistic and graphic as possible," said Jamie O'Hara, a Citizens for Public Safety member who organized the display with Doug Shatford, Greg Smith and state Sen. Bruce Tarr, R-Gloucester. "The idea is to be real, and show that this is a real problem." The scope of this year's program - which includes representatives of the Gloucester Police and Fire departments, Massachusetts State Police, Essex County Sheriff's Department, and the Gloucester and Cape Cod stations of the U.S. Coast Guard - shows that school officials recognize the problem of teen drinking continues to grow. Last year, only juniors and seniors took part in the indoor speaking program; this year, all four classes will participate, with freshmen and sophomores attending at 8:30, and juniors and seniors to follow at 9:30. Guest speaker will be Cory Scanlon of Halifax, who lost two years of his life serving time after being involved in a drunken-driving accident that claimed the lives of two of his closest friends. The outdoor portion of the program, which is open to the public, O'Hara noted, will feature a series of demonstrations beginning around 10:30. Those will include firefighters use of the Jaws of Life, a hydraulic tool, to show how they extricate a victim from a crashed car; the Essex County Sheriff's Department showcasing its dogs that sniff out drugs and chase down and apprehend criminals; and the Coast Guard demonstrating its inflatable rescue vehicle - with the Cape Cod Coast Guard station flying in and landing a rescue helicopter, weather permitting. The Gloucester Police Department will display illicit drugs and firearms, and there will be two crashed cars displayed at the school's entrance. "A lot of schools do something like this around prom time," O'Hara said, "but it's not prom night people need to worry about. Those nights, the kids are generally safe. There are a lot of things - like Breathalyzers (for admittance to the prom) - in place on those nights. "We're worried about the nights after prom night, and other weekend nights," he said. "We know there are a lot of problems. We want to take this beyond prom night, and beyond just the usual display about drunken driving. We're hoping this can make a difference." Ray Lamont can be reached at rlamont@gloucestertimes.com. |
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Insider2004 |
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Y Develop, thanks for the cheap shot.
I'm not muddying any waters. The minimum manning #s are recommendations from NFPA. The minimum manning that is MANDATED (that WAS the question) is not dictated by the city nor the union. It is mandated by the agreement between the City and the union and that agreement is called a contract. I hope that clears things up. |
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Lucky One |
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First off, NFPA standards and the study of 1992 are being confused. In 1991, which was not much different with stations closed and layoffs stated there shoud
be 2 firefighters a shift on duty,and at the time there was on average 3,000 runs a year. The FD now runs with 13 minimum, unless there are people sick and
hurt, which is occuring more often due to the lack of staffing.
NFPA 1710 clearly states there should be a minimum of 4 FF on a truck 3 FF and 1 officer and the Deputy Chief should have an Aide to assist with command at incidents. This totals 26 a shift and that is to meet the 4 minute response time required to be met 90% of the time and 8 minutes with a full first alarm assignment. ISO the insurance services office requires different things to reach different grades for fire insurance rates. Right now the City of Gloucestr is a 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. The best to be is a 1, of wihc there are only 30 departments rated this high in the country. The closet ones to us are Cambridge, MA, Hartford, CT. and Syracuse, NY. In a nutshell, the better your department, the cheaper your insurance is. Don't let some who have saidthis is a joke, for it isn't. If the ISO came in here right now, the rasting would drop and your insurance costs would increase. Especially if the City made no effort to improve. If the rating drops the ISO gives a 1 year grace period to make imporvements or the rating drops. This is not union scare tactics, it is just truth. |
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Lucky One |
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oops forgive my typo I meant 21 a shift per the 1992 study,and i do think the city considers the FD staffed. And for you poo pooers of the contract, if that
contract was not there, you would have less on duty than you do now. it is that union contract that keeps the department intact at all.
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mya crakstinks |
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thats why we need volunteers
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