Doesn't have to be that way, but will probably end up that way. Too bad, we had so much confidence in our leaders of science, industry
and politics.

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Doesn't have to be that way, but will probably end up that way. Too bad, we had so much confidence in our leaders of science, industry
and politics.
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Jim B 01930 wrote: 100% Spot-on, Jim.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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As if on cue, McCain makes his pledge to combat climate change. Are
you going to rag on him too, Willard?
"The facts of global warming demand our urgent attention, especially in Washington," McCain said in remarks he planned to give at the Vestas Wind Technology plant. "Good stewardship, prudence, and simple common sense demand that we act to meet the challenge, and act quickly," he added. Didja catch the simple common sense part?
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Willard J Clinton |
$6 Heating Oil Coming Soon Thanks to Moooonbats (DemocRATs)!!! | ||
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>>>The fight to combat global warming will be championed by conservatives like Willard as soon as oil companies have advanced non-carbon based power
generating systems to the point where they can increase their profit margins over their present oil and coal fueled systems and not one day earlier.
...<<< JimB
Incorrect. The "fight" to "combat" global warming will never be "championed" by conservatives like Willard because there is no such thing as anthropogenic global warming, and the "fight" to promote that hoax is pretty much reserved to limp-wristed Marxist dupes and fat-slob opportunists like Algore and his crooked U.N. fellow travelers who are trying to use the scam (and the rubes who believe in it) to swindle $$$BILLION$$$ from working people doing honest work. >>>...Political instability in oil rich regions and economic instability combining recession and inflation will do far more to bring that day to pass than science or reason ever could. In the meantime the moonbatterers and freepers can be expected to study French and push for nuclear power stations built by the lowest possible bidder.<<< JimB Political and economic instability insofar as it relates to exploding energy prices Americans are encountering are pretty much entirely the result of leftist (DemocRAT) sabotage of every single one our efforts to bring new sources of domestic energy to our growing population. The American oil companies have done a pretty good job ensuring Americans got quality energy products at a price Europeans and others in the world could only dream of, but fourty years of leftist DemocRATs blocking every new proposed refinery, nuclear power plant, new Alaskan oilfields, new east coast oilfields, new west coast oilfields, new Florida oilfields, hydroelectric plants, and now even wind turbines, has finally caught up with us. The leftists (DemocRATs) have produced not one erg of energy in the last forty years, but their malicious interference with those who do produce our energy has caused the scarcity and high prices we are seeing now. Nice going, degenerate Mooonbats (Dems)!!! |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Have a coke
and a smile, yo Willard. You got naught else goin' on, mon.
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but fourty years of leftist DemocRATs blocking every new proposed refinery, nuclear power plant, new Alaskan oilfields, new east coast oilfields, new west coast oilfields, new Florida oilfields, hydroelectric plants, and now even wind turbines, has finally caught up with us. Willard You do not know how good reading this makes me feel! Thanks, Willard! Poor little ol' oil companies...billions in profit....billions in subsidies......billions in waived royalties......billions in tax breaks all rendered impotent by those pesky granola crunching, sock and sandal wearing moonbats. Tell us Willard, what are ya holding? Futures? Common stock? Debt? OMG, you aren't holding debt, are ya, Willie boy? |
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Willard J Clinton |
Malicious Moooonbats (Dems) Play Right Into OPECs' Hands!!! | ||
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>>>You do not know how good reading this makes me feel! Thanks, Willard!
Poor little ol' oil companies...billions in profit....billions in subsidies......billions in waived royalties......billions in tax breaks all rendered impotent by those pesky granola crunching, sock and sandal wearing moonbats. ...<<< JimB If you're too stupid to realize that you shouldn't "feel good" about sawing the limb you're standing on off then by all means..... keep hacking. It's the Oil Companies and their stockholders who should thank the pesky granola crunching, sock and sandal wearing moonbats, not the other way around. By blocking all new domestic supply from entering the market, the pesky granola crunching, sock and sandal wearing moonbats (DemocRATs) have concentrated pricing power in the hands of those holding the limited existing supply. The leftists (DemocRATs) have played right into the hands of OPEC and the oil companies, and shareholders of Oil company stocks (such as ALGORE, for instance) have benefited handsomely. Thanks, mooooonbats!!!
>>>...Tell us Willard, what are ya holding? Futures? Common stock? Debt? OMG, you aren't holding debt, are ya, Willie boy?<<< JimB And here again you reveal how little understanding you have of how the world (and human nature) really works, and the unintended consequences of the DemocRATs (leftists') greed and malice. Nearly 50% returns in currency appreciation alone vs. the dollar in only a few years is certainly not going to bother me. Tell your Marxist friends (DemocRATs) in the "reformed" (guffaw!!!) Congress to keep stuffing their pockets with those corrupt earmarks they love so much so that return jumps to 100%, will ya?!? Their foolish disregard for the currency is also helping certain other concerns kick the crap out of the shoddy Chinese competition, so tell the leftists (DemocRATs) to keep up the good work there as well.
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I would love to argue a point with you Willard. I do not have the "Ignore" filter on you but I do employ a ridicule and rhetoric filter and,
unfortunately it left your last post blank.
I will restate the question as clearly as I can. Do you personally hold common stock in or otherwise have a financial investment in any oil company? The reason I ask is your position is isolated. Conservatives, liberals and almost everyone in between now accept that global warming exists and is, at least in part, caused by human activity. At this point the only individuals I find still clinging to the "Ya but it ain't our fault" or "It ain't really getting warmer" positions are those who have a direct financial gain at stake in buying time for the oil companies to fully transform into energy companies. I know from the email or two we have exchanged in the past that you can carry on a normal conversation if you choose. Would you be so kind as to engage without making your readers wade through the ridicule and bombast? Thanks. |
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Wide-Stance clearly does not have a coherent position on this, other than "the scientific consensus is wrong."
Some of his postings attempt to make the point that the IS NO GLOBAL WARMING at all, a few try to claim that the planet is ACTUALLY COOLING, and a fair number make the claim that all the warming that's happening is due to NATURAL CAUSES. Please note that these three things are all mutually exclusive; only one, at most, can be true. Yet Wide-Stance has attempted to make all three of these points in his ridiculous pseudoscientific rants from Moonbattery (and other places.) Such scientific illiteracy and obvious intellectual vacuity is worthy of nothing but scorn. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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Hey, I know the guy can be lucid if he chooses and I, too, have observed his self contradictory posts on the subject therefor I have concluded he is just
throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.
I am just trying to ascertain his motivation. Global warming may turn out to be the defining problem of out time. It is important that we understand what motivates people who obfuscate the issue. |
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Willard J Clinton |
Global Warming Hoaxers Sucker GULLIBLE Moooonbats!!! | ||
The Hockey Stick scam that heightened global warming hysteriaBy Dr. Tim Ball Monday, May 12, 2008
It was not the first time the unsupportable claim that humans were causing global warming had made the news. A major incident occurred in 1988 when James Hansen, Director of NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS), appeared before Senator Al Gore's committee and said he was "99 percent" certain the Earth had warmed. Few who study climate change denied warming even though many were accused. They knew that for 22,000 years the world generally warmed as it emerged from the last Ice Age and more recently it warmed from 1680 out of the Little Ice Age (LIA). However, Hansen then suggested the cause was likely an enhanced Greenhouse Effect due to human addition of CO2 from industrial activity what was to become known as the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) theory The problem is there was no proof and there were many other possible explanations. It was an untested theory that was accepted as fact by the IPCC. By the time of the 2001 IPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR), the politics and hysteria about climate change had risen to a level that demanded clear evidence of a human signal. An entire industry had developed round massive funding from government. A large number of academic, political, and bureaucratic careers had evolved and depended on expansion of the evidence. Environmentalists were increasing pressure on the public and thereby politicians. In addition, the bar of proof was raised by claiming the 20th century and especially the last decade had 9 of the 10 warmest years in history; warming beyond anything previous and therefore unnatural. These claims were to become their downfall because, as some climate experts knew, there were much warmer periods in the historic record. There were hundreds of research papers from a wide variety of sources confirming the existence of a period warmer than today just a thousand years ago known
as the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). Its existence is well documented in the work of Soon and Baliunas.
The answer is provided by Professor Deming in the following letter to Science . "With the publication of the article in Science [in 1995], I gained significant credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change. They thought I was one of them, someone who would pervert science in the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said "We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period." (My emphasis) This was effectively done by what became known as the "hockey stick". The name came from the shape of a graph which showed no temperature increase for 1000 years (the handle) with a sudden rise in the 20th century (the blade). It was ideal, two strikes with one event. The MWP was gone and the sudden rise in the 20th century was clearly unnatural. It had to be due to human activity. Research that produced the hockey stick came from dendroclimatology, the reconstruction of past climates from tree ring data--but they tacked on modern temperature data for the blade. They incorrectly assumed tree rings are only a function of temperature and cherry-picked those trees that gave the desired result. When challenged on this, one dendroclimatologist justified this practice by telling a US Congressional committee, "You have to pick cherries if your are going to make cherry pie." Another wrote, "However as we mentioned earlier on the subject of biological growth populations, this does not mean that one could not improve a chronology by reducing the number of series used if the purpose of removing samples is to enhance a desired signal. The ability to pick and choose which samples to use is an advantage unique to dendroclimatology." These are deeply disturbing comments in any area of research. Source of the hockey stick was a dendroclimatic study published in 1998 by Mann, Bradley and Hughes, (known as MBH98) was introduced in Chapter 2 of the Technical Report (produced by Working Group I). Conflict screamed because Mann was a lead author of the Chapter while Bradley and Hughes were contributing authors, but was ignored. It screamed louder when the hockey stick appeared as a major part of the Summary for Policymakers again with Mann involved. After an opening statement that said, "New analyses of proxy data for the Northern Hemisphere indicate that the increase in temperature in the 20th century is likely to have been the largest of any century during the past 1,000 years. It is also likely that, in the Northern Hemisphere, the 1990s was the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year" The graph appeared on the second page of the Summary and underscored the argument visually and scientifically. It also, as intended, stole the media limelight and versions quickly appeared in everything from National Geographic to government web sites. Now they could bully people who questioned the science and introduce draconian legislature to get rid of the evil CO2 as was the intention all along. Now the useless Kyoto Protocol apparently had justification. The hockey stick fiasco was unmasked by a basic scientific test known as reproducible results. Other scientists use the same data and procedures to try and reproduce the original findings. Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick (M&M) attempted, but failed to reproduce the MBH98 findings. A debate ensued with claims M&M were wrong or not qualified climate experts. They replied that Mann had refused to disclose all the codes he used to achieve the results, but even without them the major problem was a misuse of data and statistical techniques. In effect the hockey stick was meaningless. The US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) appointed a committee chaired by Professor Wegman to investigate and arbitrate. His committee report found in favor of M&M as follows; It is not clear that Mann and associates realized the error in their methodology at the time of publication. Because of the lack of full documentation of their data and computer code, we have not been able to reproduce their research. We did, however, successfully recapture similar results to those of MM. This recreation supports the critique of the MBH98 methods, as the offset of the mean value creates an artificially large deviation from the desired mean value of zero. Mann continues to refuse disclosure of all his codes. He and his acolytes are still fighting a rearguard action claiming the work is valid. Serious concerns were raised about the objectivity of an IPCC Report and Summary with major input from scientists citing their own research. Unfortunately, this is typical of the incestuous, political, nature of the entire IPCC process. In his report Professor Wegman's first recommendation says, Especially when massive amounts of public monies and human lives are at stake, academic work should have a more intense level of scrutiny and review. It is especially the case that authors of policy-related documents like the IPCC report, Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis, should not be the same people as those that constructed the academic papers. Most people, especially the media, missed the equally startling and disturbing conclusion by Wegman. In our further exploration of the social network of authorships in temperature reconstruction, we found that at least 43 authors have direct ties to Dr. Mann by virtue of coauthored papers with him. Our findings from this analysis suggest that authors in the area of paleoclimate studies are closely connected and thus 'independent studies' may not be as independent as they might appear on the surface. The incestuous potential of such a small close-knit group is disturbing beyond co-authorship. Proponents of the anthropogenic global warming theory have made much of the fact that critics have few or no 'peer reviewed' papers. Why? It appears members of the group of 43 were also peer reviewing each other's papers. It is one possible explanation why Mann's paper sailed through peer review. Journal editors are not required to disclose the names of reviewers, so we can't know. It probably also explains why so much is made of peer review by members and defenders of the IPCC. When you have a small group in a specialized research area it is too easy to control what gets published. What I call peer review censorship. The hockey stick debacle caught the attention and shifted the views of many who understood the scientific problems. It did not deter the group now known as the hockey team. It seems they were victims of what Tolstoy presciently wrote about 100 years ago. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth
if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to
others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."
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Yet another right-wing disinformation piece that dishonestly misrepresents the NAS study that CONFIRMED the hockey-stick curve.
I'm not surprised that you would be ignorant of that, Wide-Stance, since you rely upon right-wing demagogues to tell you what science to "believe in." The right-wing pseudoscience blogs immediately mis-characterized the NAS report, within a day of its being issued, and they have never corrected themselves. That would be honest, and we all know the right-wing anti-science crowd is anything but honest. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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Lemme give you a hint... if the NAS's own summary of a report doesn't say what your bloggers tell you it says, and if you cannot find that
interpretation of a report anywhere but in the right-wingnut blogosphere, you can pretty much assume it's a lie.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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LWN, you are a pinhead, the hockey stick graph is NOT up to date science, it is an artifact of bad number crunching
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Here, Wide-Stance -- I'll make it easy for you.
Here is where you can find the NAS report your blogger misrepresents. I've read it. I *know* you haven't, and even if you did, you wouldn't understand it. Here is the executive summary. There's a small but nonzero possibility you can at least understand that. Give it a read, and then see if you can address it intelligently. That means without going to some right-wing asshole's blog to tell you what it means. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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t wrote: Really? Then how about you go to the NAS and tell them why they're wrong about that.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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The AAAS is the largest professional organization of scientists on the planet... the NAS is the most prestigious... the IPCC is the largest organization of
climate scientists on the planet...
All of them are wrong.. but "t" and Wide-stance are right... Got it... To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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So, Wide-Stance -- please explain to us how it is you believe the scientific consensus is wrong because the warming is entirely natural, the Earth's
temperature hasn't changed, and the Earth is cooling, all at the very same time.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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Oh, wait -- we don't need professional scientists. We have Wide-Stance and his sock puppet, "t"!!!
Why bother spending your whole life studying something? All you have to do is ask those two, and they'll consult their right-wing spinmeisters and tell you what you need to know! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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From the NAS study that our resident experts, Wide-Stance Willy and his butt-boy, t, tell us refuted the hockey-stick:
Based on the analyses presented in the original papers by Mann et al. and this newer supporting evidence, the committee finds it plausible that the Northern Hemisphere was warmer during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period over the preceding millennium. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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