Lemme axe you a question... you always refer to the one on the nest as "mama" and the other one as "papa," apparently even after a change
of guard. You never talk about mama coming in and taking over from papa. Does a sex change happenon the nest or sumthin'?
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my favorite osprey cam - updated daily - AUGUST they're all grown up and learning to be themselves
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(05/13/08 09:58 AM) |
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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(05/13/08 10:51 AM) Administrator |
Papa is the "reliever" who comes in to let Mama go have sushi or whatever she does during her breaks. He brings home the stuff to build the nest. He
stands guard with great vigilance from afar seemingly at all times. So I guess I'd express it more as Mama returning to the nest and Papa coming in to be
the reliever. The "changing of the guard" description I think was my early on way of describing the actual physical process by which they quickly
exchange positions covering the clutch with flawless precision, not the role of taking over the chores. But then what the hell do I know? They haven't let
me look under their feathers yet. And are there transgendered osprey out there? Ya never know.
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leftwingnut |
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(05/13/08 11:51 AM) |
Yes, but once the reliever is there, it seems he becomes a Mama...
Male and female osprey are quite similar, and I don't think I can tell them apart in the webcast. Generally, females DO spend more time on the nest than males, but males do incubate the eggs while the females go fishing. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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(05/13/08 01:27 PM) |
Day 36 for the 04.07 egg...
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ckcaney |
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(05/13/08 02:03 PM) |
A mama's day necklace, hey, he's a little late, but it's the thought that counts.
 
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(05/13/08 02:04 PM) |
What a great Mother's day for her, a camping trip in the freezing, windy cold, some seaweed and a rock.
 Sounds better than my mother's day.
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ckcaney |
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(05/13/08 02:07 PM) |
It was dumb luck on my part to catch these pixs...I keep the bird window in the background, when I see a commotion, I bring it to the front, he flew in with
that yellow piece and draped it over her neck.
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(05/13/08 02:13 PM) |
Mama has "freckles" on her chest...she egg sits except when off catching and eating toxic fish.
Great pics, ck. I'm counting days, also...getting very close, according to legend...
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leftwingnut |
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(05/13/08 02:34 PM) |
And most of the time you can't make out those freckles...
And exactly 1/2 of the exchanges will involve Mama replacing Papa, and one half will involve Papa replacing Mama... no matter what proportion of the time Mama spends on the nest... To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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o Realist o |
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(05/13/08 02:50 PM) |
Thx LWN for the info...want to continue my learning about Osprey friends.
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leftwingnut |
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(05/13/08 02:53 PM) |
Sorry to be a party poopa... carry on...
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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o Realist o |
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(05/13/08 03:02 PM) |
Any pertinent info regarding Ospreys is most welcome.
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ckcaney |
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(05/13/08 03:25 PM) |
I've noticed the difference in markings on the top of the head/neck. If I've identified them correctly, she has more of a single "spot" of
the brown feathers on her neck, he has more of "line or multi spots". Can anyone confirm or correct?
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Evelyn |
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(05/13/08 05:11 PM) Administrator |
Great catches, ck! I've noticed the distinctive head markings, too. Last year, one of the fledges seemed to have an identical one to Papa's, too.
LWN, that "necklace" of freckles is actually quite prominent on her when you see her pretty much front facing and not hunkered down. You're no party pooper, man! LOL |
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Evelyn |
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(05/13/08 05:16 PM) Administrator |
Lots of new stuff......what's that orange looking thingy? |
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leftwingnut |
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(05/13/08 05:18 PM) |
Evelyn wrote: OK, so how do you explain that it is always Mama getting replaced by Papa, and never, not a single time, the other way around?
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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o Realist o |
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(05/13/08 06:25 PM) |
On one of the other Osbrey web cams, in 2007, egg laid 4/25, hatched 6/2 = 37 days.
If we project using this guideline, 4/07/08, first egg laid = approximately 5/14. It will be interesting to see what actually occurs. Getting close!! No idea what that orange "thingy" is - and I keep losing connection this afternoon - first time. |
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Jim B 01930 |
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(05/13/08 06:58 PM) . |
Osprey Pandion haliaetus Linnaeus, 1758
BREEDING: Along rivers, lakes, and coasts. 1 brood. Mating system is monogamous. DISPLAYS: Courting pair in swift pursuit flight, soar, circle, dodge with rapid turns and quick swoops. NEST: In deciduous or conifer tree (dead or alive), near or over water, also atop pole. Of sticks, sod, cow dung, seaweed, rubbish, etc. Perennial, becoming very large. Both sexes help with nest construction. EGGS: White/pinkish-white/pinkish-cinnamon, marked with brown/olive, rarely unmarked. 2.4" (61 mm). CHICK DEVELOPMENT: Female incubates with some help from male. Incubation takes 32-43 days. Development is semialtricial (immobile, downy, eyes open, fed). Young are able to fly after 48-59 days. Both sexes tend young. DIET: Usually hovers at 30 to 100 feet and dives, mostly for fish (live or dead); also takes rodents, birds, small vertebrates, crustaceans. Young fed regurgitant first 10 days. Brood of 3 requires 6 pounds of fish daily. CONSERVATION: Winters s to Chile, n Argentina. Blue List 1972-81, Special Concern 1982, Local Concern 1986; populations crashed (especially in e) 1950s-1970s from exposure to DDT, encroachment onto breeding grounds, and shooting. Coastal populations now recovered aided by DDT ban and conservation programs including successful use of artificial nesting platforms. NOTES: Female fed entirely by mate from pair formation through egg laying; courtship feeding may ensure mate fidelity. Male occasionally does up to 30% of incubation. Male delivers food to female at nest; she then feeds young. Female does most of brooding. Young hatch asynchronously. Subject to piracy by Bald Eagle, frigatebird. Only raptor whose front talons turn backward. Osprey derives from the Latin ossifraga, meaning "bone breaker"; the name got transferred from the Lämmergeier, an Old World vulture that drops bones from heights so that it can eat marrow from the shattered fragments |
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o Realist o |
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(05/13/08 07:56 PM) |
LWN - take a quick gander NOW before dark - you can see the "freckles" on chest clearly. Looks like the orange "thingy" may have been
removed...
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leftwingnut |
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(05/13/08 08:06 PM) |
Yes, I understand... yet somehow, when Mama leave after Papa takes over... there's never a corresponding, later-on, Papa being relieved by Mama... it's
ALWAYS a Mama being relieve by a Papa... how can that be, if there is no sex-changes going on?
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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