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leftwingnut |
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Yes, of course... it's all so simple...
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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mya crakstinks |
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it is if you dont have to get votes or we could keep hereing "i will make us energy indepedent useing renuables" what ever that means?
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ckcaney |
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"One big thing that could easily be done for public transportation right here: Every train that leaves North Station in this direction should split in
half at Beverly...one continues to Newburyport, the other to Rockport. This absurd 'every other train to the end of the line' is what stops many folks
from taking the train...or, in desperation, they drive to Beverly, struggle to find parking, and get on there. Madness."
That would be ideal, but it's currently not possible as there are single tracks through Salem so the returning trains would converging/waiting on one another. Also, it would double the amount of trains pulling into NS and there isn't enough tracks to support same. Also, there simply aren't enough trains or customers to "pay" for this. It turns into a chicken/egg story, if you had more trains you'd have more commuters, if you had more commuters, we'd have more trains. The parking situation at Beverly has vastly improved as of late, but is still not enough. In these times you have to accept that the train yes, it isn't terribly convenient at times, but neither is global warning or gas prices, take your pick! We'll have to suck up some inconveniences. Also, ease up when comparing Eurorail to the American train systems, the ground that needs to be covered and the density of the population make it a poor comparison. |
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Unperennial Junior |
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Took a walk around the old train loop in Rockport yesterday. Saw a number of 4 inch tree stumps that beavers had left. About 50 feet in on the Gloucester end
of the loop there are two 16 inch diameter trees that the beavers have started on. Both now knawed to about 8 inch diameter. Wonder how they know which way its
gonna fall, and why they decided to take on some serious timber.
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drinkycrow |
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leftwingnut |
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ckcaney wrote: I think he was saying that the existing trains would divide at Beverly and smaller trains would continue to the two termini, so the track at Salem is a
moot point. The number of trains going both ways at Salem would remain the same as now.
Also, I very much doubt that the number of commuters is determined by the number of trains. If more trains cause more train ridership, that just indicates a
demand for train travel that isn't being satisfied, AND represents people who are now most likely using a less efficient mode of transport, and the swap to
the train would be a major benefit of the plan suggested above.
But nore commuters being created? I very much doubt it.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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ckcaney |
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"Also, I very much doubt that the number of commuters is determined by the number of trains."
Let me rephase. If there were more flexible train schedules, ie: more trains, we'd have more commuters. Whenever I encounter someone who drives into Boston they mention the lack of trains (or lack of flexibility in the train schedule) as their reason for driving in. |
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leftwingnut |
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ckcaney wrote: Ah, I see,,, you are defining "commuter" as "train rider," for some reason leaving out all the commuters who use other transportation
modes (carpool, driving, bus, etc.). I include all those when I say "commuter,". I call the people you refer to "train riders."
Then I see absolutely no problem. The whole point of the suggestion was to make the train more usable to more people. That means they would be using a more-efficient mode of transportation instead of a less-efficient kind. That would be a Good Thing. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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I think the idea is a good idea, but what you are talking about really takes a fundamental change in technology. There is no real capacity to couple and
uncouple trains at a suburban station. century old train tech and all that.
Extending the T to Lynn is a good first step. Maybe they might do it to Salem in 50 years. Now then you would have real service up here, a little runt train could blast back an forth evry 20 minutes |
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leftwingnut |
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Now, if they would extend the blue line up to Salem Station, that would be fantastic.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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Seriously, how cool would that be. I am not holding my breath
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leftwingnut |
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It would be great, especially for access to Lynn, Swampscott, Revere, etc.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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o Realist o |
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I know the parking situaion has improved around Beverly Depot, but even more additional parking would be a stop gap solution - I go into Boston frequently and
would gladly drive to Beverly and then train it, if assured of parking - many more options in term of train schedules. Know many folks who
would do the same...
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t |
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I wonder if that lovely bowling alley would look good as a parking garage[one block back by bridge st]
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Gang of One |
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I cannot believe you can't uncouple two carriages....it's done all the time in Europe for just this reason/suggestion. (this is my first Euro
comparison, ck, fyi)
I guarantee there would more train riders (and many less people screaming up 128 to Beverly to catch trains...a boost for us all) with this arrangement. If there weren't such huge gaps between services, I'd take the train every day, even though it takes about double the time door-to-door as driving does. Oh well - Too much common sense, I guess. |
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o Realist o |
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Remember, GoO - you're residing in Massachusetts - the cradle of stupidity where non-sense prevails...
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leftwingnut |
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Gang of One wrote: It really isn't a big deal to uncouple the cars. The big deal is that there's only one engine on the existing trains, and you can't split the
engines in half and send one half to Rockport and the other to Newburyport.
On the other hand, you could achieve the same end by simply doubling the number of trains, but making them smaller, but I'm sure the routing and other stuff would be a lot harder than having the dual trains you've proposed. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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Gang of One |
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Two engines is exactly how it'd be done.
Two engines-one train splitting/two trains - either way, it would be a vast improvement to the current service and schedule. I, for one, would absolutely go by train...even with the longer commute I'd have. |
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two engines, two engineers, how many extra union men to couple trains? how long to uncouple the trains? Just not a financially worthwhile prospect.
I really really hope they extend the t to lynn like they say they will. I think it is the beginning of the answer. |
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Island Annie |
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It would help if the train could go a bit faster than 6 mph through Manchester and if the Prides Crossing stop did not exist. The Rockport to Boston trip is an
hour and 10 minutes. So is the Providence to Boston trip. There seems to be something wrong with that picture.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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