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Jenna Anon |
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Can someone tell me how many firemen and cops are in this city?
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tyu12 |
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Jenna Anon wrote: From what I am reading not enough |
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Lucky One |
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FD = 77 PD = 56
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MissDimples |
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To me, this isn't about who should get what, who is deserving of what, or who needs what.
It's about "we're all in this together and doing something for the common good." I have relatives who work for the city, who are members of the unions, who put up with a whole lot of crap from the Average Joe, who I've said the same thing to. Workers, regardless of who they are, can't keep asking for more when there is none to give. COMPROMISE is the first step toward resolution and a brighter future for ALL of us. The attitude of "I'm not giving anything back" will get us nowhere except deeper in the hole we've dug over the last 30-odd years. Change has to start somewhere ... |
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slantedcity |
union is the problem? | ||
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I believe the problem here is that most people who post here get their info from the G.D.T.It appears to me that the Times is and anti union paper that always
paints the unions as the bad guy no matter what the subject.You people should check the facts that this medium has printed now and in the past you will find
that alot of them are wrong or spun in a way to make it always the unions problem.I see these articles posted here as soon as the paper is out so it is obvious
someone wants you to believe what the times writes.If you have met any of the public safety officials in this wonderful but struggling city you will see they
are caring nice people not the mansters the Times paints them to be.
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Bobby Dinero |
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Hey Real. Yeah, good to be back, more or less. I got bored with the infighting on the board. Save LWN and OH's inspiring and provoking pieces, not much
flavor.
Anyhoo, I had to come back when I learned that about the FD Union. I mean, come on. 77 men on the force can't staff 17 spots without burning through gazillions in OT. Pure Bullshit. Now people will die or lose everything they have because someone didn't get the OT guaranteed in the union contract. Its disgusting. Have the union members considered the fact that their families and friends are also going without protection? I mean, really, "Hey Nana, sorry you died of smoke inhalation and then burnt to a crisp. I was at a Jimmy Buffet Concert and we didn't have the minimum staff to cover your neighborhood station. " |
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o Realist o |
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Y DEVELOP wrote: I've asked this question at least 3 times and Y at least once. Hard to believe no one who posts knows the answer. What gives??? |
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slantedcity |
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watched the channel 2 report on Gloucester with Mayor Kirk and Exec. Director of MMa Beckwith.The segment was short and told us the same as we already know
from the all famous GDT.I saw a preview of the channel 4 show at 11 P.M. about F.D. staffing.Kathy Curran was interviewing Barry Aptt and the brave firefighter
Marc Nicastro who attempted a rescue at the Lorraine fire that was in the video.
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05/15/08 07:43 PM.
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Mothership |
This is VERY relative to this post... | ||
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OKCORRAL,
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ChocolateCove |
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Fullerman wrote: I was told it was with a grant from the Tourism Department. |
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Dun Fudgin |
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slantedcity wrote: Enlighten us,give us the true story! |
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Y DEVELOP |
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Realist wrote: Hello, this seems to be the REAL QUESTION. If the GDT actually reported info this would be one/some of the "W's". Remember 3rd grade SS's Who, What, Where, Why and How? People demand more from your paper or stop patronizing and reading it. It is the biggest liar in the whole city. SHAME ON YOU GDT. SHAME ON YOU RICHARD GAINES YOU AN EMBARASSMENT TO JOURNALISM AS WELL AS MANKIND! |
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MMickkeYY |
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Sorry Imissed Ch. 4 ....did they show the ladder being put up ...upside down?
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Apocalypse |
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No, just the usual rant, we need more, more men more trucks more money more everything. If only they had enough men to post in every building in the city maybe
there would be no fires at all. I believe the chief made a statement that the FD was working three calls when the alarm sounded at the Lorraine, looking into
the sky for help, kinda feel bad for him until I slap myself and realize I pay taxes to support his dog and pony show. Dump civil service, violate the
contracts, and give us the city services we pay for.
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Apocalypse |
unions? civil service? justice? | ||
Brophy fights suspension with lawsuit against PeabodyBy Julie Manganis
Fri, May 16 2008
PEABODY - John Brophy fought a three-year legal battle to get his firefighter job back after being fired for sleeping through a 911 call. Now he's back in court, claiming the city's requirement that he submit to a physical and a drug test before rejoining the force is discriminatory. He is seeking an injunction to bar the city from disciplining him for insubordination for failing three times to report for the examinations. And he's also asking a judge to order the city to wait three months for him to return to work - because he's working another job as a plumber and needs to finish a project. Brophy was fired after sleeping through a March 2005 call about a 6-month-old baby having difficulty breathing. An arbitrator later ruled Brophy's firing was excessive punishment and ordered that he get his job back. The finding was upheld by judges in the Superior and Appeals courts. Brophy claims in the latest complaint, filed yesterday in Salem Superior Court, that Mayor Michael Bonfanti and fire Chief Steven Pasdon have conspired to set him up for a series of suspensions and possible termination, that they have engaged in "selective prosecution" of Brophy, and that they are in contempt of the arbitration award. Last week, city officials confirmed that Brophy had been given a total of 12 days' suspension but would not specify what for. But a letter from Bonfanti that was included in court papers spells out the reasons for the suspension: Brophy's failure to report for a fitness-for-duty examination and hair follicle drug test three times, and his failure to tell his superiors why he didn't show. Brophy missed three appointments for the testing, including one on April 29 after an interview with the chief, who reminded him that he was in violation of an order. According to the letter from Bonfanti, Brophy acknowledged that he had received all three orders, as well as voice mail reminders from the chief about the appointments. "Finally, attorney (Daniel) Cocuzzo specifically asked you whether you realized you were (in) violation of direct orders from Chief Pasdon when you refused to report for the testing. You again answered in the affirmative," the mayor's letter said. Bonfanti found that amounted to insubordination. The three suspensions, of three, four and five days, were imposed consecutively, for a total of 12 days. "You did not file an appeal under the civil service statute ... nor did you file for arbitration through your union. Therefore, you not only have a prior 30-day suspension on the books but you also currently have the previous three suspensions now part of your permanent employment record. Thus at this juncture the city has a duty and obligation to the citizens of Peabody to contemplate further discipline," Bonfanti wrote. Bonfanti said the discipline could range "up to and including your discharge." A hearing was set for May 20. Working as a plumber In an affidavit, Brophy says that the requirements to take a physical and a drug test prior to rejoining the force are not in the department rules or contract and that by requiring him to do so, the city is treating him differently from other employees. He also said he had not received a formal letter reinstating him, only a letter referring to his reinstatement in connection with a request to report for the exam and test. He then goes on to say that "due to the city's outrageous actions against me, I have been unemployed, as a firefighter," and "I knew I needed to mitigate my lost wages through other employment." So, he said, he has worked as a plumber. In November, he signed a contract with Essex County Craftsman to install heating equipment at the Malden Senior Center, with a project start date of sometime in April or May. He also says he had to post a performance bond of $80,000 to guarantee completion of the project by July. He says he would lose that bond if he does not complete the project. "To fulfill the requirements of this project I am required to be at the center Monday through Friday from 7 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.," Brophy wrote. "I requested the city, through my attorney, to delay my reinstatement to the department so that I can complete the project at the center, as I would suffer severe financial harm if I did not complete my contract. The city refused my request despite the negative financial consequences that would follow my breach of contract at the center." He says he will lose income and "potentially lose my home" if he defaults on the Malden project. Brophy and his lawyers also contend that the city has set out guidelines and standards for his return, but has failed to specify what those are, and, "As a result of not knowing what these guidelines/standards are I don't know if I will be treated as a new hire or as a seasoned previously employed firefighter. Without knowing what is expected from me, upon my return, I am fearful the city will again unfairly terminate my employment with the department." A hearing on the request is scheduled for May 22 in Newburyport Superior Court. That is two days after the scheduled disciplinary hearing. Bonfanti had not yet received a copy of the court complaint last night, and it was not clear whether the disciplinary hearing would be rescheduled. |
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And Brophy has exactly what to do with Gloucester?
Typical tactic of the anti-union crowd, take one abberant individual, hold him up and say "they're all like this." Of course by doing that you reinforce the perception of the more conscientious employee that "without the union, we'd get totally screwed" and make it far more difficult for municipalities to negotiate in an atmosphere of trust. It's like any human dealings. You go in on the attack and you meet far greater resisitance. This is not and should not be a war. That said, the questions about the "tack-ons" should not go unanswered and it would be the best opportunity for the matter to be fully understood. And it would be good to have some explanations of the 77 staff vs. 17 positions (why doesn't that work now?) and how many positions would be required to keep the branch stations open.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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penelope |
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We are constantly reminded of the teachers working without a contract as well as the firefighters. With very little union exposure, I am at a loss for the atrocity of such a situation. Are they not getting paid? Are they not getting benefits? Do they not get overtime? What is the emergency of continuing to work without having a new contract? What is it they don't have without the presence of a current contract? |
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o Realist o |
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All keeps trekking under terms of "former" contract - status quo until new contract negotiated, approved by mayor and city council, and signed by all
parties. Any monetary differences between "former" and "new" are retroactive unless negotiated otherwise.
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Matisse |
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I think that it is called the "evergreen"clause...
RE: The Brophy article I think government ought to randomly drug test all police and fire personnel. One group is heavily armed and the others operate extremely heavy and dangerous vehicles. Heavy construction equipment operators have to be tested all the time. I see little or no difference between driving a 5 ton dump truck or a 5 ton fire truck full of water. |
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Y DEVELOP |
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We are constantly reminded of the teachers working without a contract as well as the firefightersAt least the FF's have the decency not to stand at the rotary and whine! |
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