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Dun Fudgin |
Gloucester's fishing fleet soldiers on! |
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Gypsy |
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I LOVE the one with Ten Pound Island in it!!!
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least
for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us.
- John Gardner The Old Mermaid's Tale: The Video | In Memory of Mark S. Williams | Sponsored by Parlez-Moi Blog |
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NateG42 |
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Great photos.
I look at some of the old photos of the schooners and dories and wonder why that type of fishing (long lining) was given up? Are there major benefits or drawbacks to doing that type of fishing anymore versus using larger, faster boats and nets? Just curious is all. Nate |
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Dun Fudgin |
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NateG42 wrote: Safety for one reason, economics for another. Long lining was done during the age of sail,hauling or dragging a net was out of the question using sail power.Long lining is still used today but it's very species dependant such as swordfish. These fish don't usually travel in schools. |
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fenian |
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Actually Dun there are a few boats that long lineand get a premium price on their catch because it isn't mangled in nets and there is litlle if no by catch. Harder work yes it is but perhaps that is a better future? |
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Y DEVELOP |
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On Longlining: Harder work yes it is but perhaps that is a better future? Wow, dragging a net across the ocean bottom and grabbing everything essentially raping the ocean floor is not good for the future. Hey Capt Joe when did draggers come into their heyday? |
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BackShore |
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Ydev, you are far from the authority on fishing methods, so kindly do some research before posting on such matters. My brother is a longliner, i.e.
'hook' fisherman, along with my cousin.
"I swing big, with everything I've got. I hit big or I miss big. I like to live as big as I can." - Babe
Ruth
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captjoe06 |
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Back Shore and Fenian are dead on. The local hook fleet commands higher prices for their fish. The fish is exceptional and if could be preserved are real
things of beauty with a glossy sheen and firmness not found in fish caught by other methods.
I had several hook boat fishermen that converted to gillnetting because it was a much easier way to fish. Hook boat guys are a special breed, knowing that it takes more work, but keeping at it anyway. That's not a slam to other types of fishing, but more a kudos to the hook guys. |
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Par Putt |
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Y is an obstructionist, plain and simple. Not hard to figure that out, just look at it's moniker, that should tell you something.
"Golf is a game that is played on a 5 inch course - the distance between your ears." Bobby Jones
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Island Annie |
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Backshore - I read that as Y Dev contrasting the two methods - not saying they were the same. No?
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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BackShore |
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Annie, I read her reply again and came to the same conclusion that YDev was equating longlining with 'dragging a net across the ocean bottom.'
If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.
"I swing big, with everything I've got. I hit big or I miss big. I like to live as big as I can." - Babe
Ruth
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Gypsy |
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I read that as Y Dev contrasting the two methods - not saying they were the same. No? That's how I took it, too....
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least
for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us.
- John Gardner The Old Mermaid's Tale: The Video | In Memory of Mark S. Williams | Sponsored by Parlez-Moi Blog |
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ckcaney |
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"dragging a net across the ocean bottom and grabbing everything essentially raping the ocean floor"
essentially, that's a juvenile, uneducated view of fishing. |
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Gypsy |
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I know that those who fish draggers say that the nets are designed to "bounce" across the bottom leaving the ocean floor undamaged. This is what my
draggerman-neighbor told me. I personally don't know but that's how it was explained to me.
He also told me that there are different net designs, some of which are more ecologically safe than others...
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least
for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us.
- John Gardner The Old Mermaid's Tale: The Video | In Memory of Mark S. Williams | Sponsored by Parlez-Moi Blog |
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ckcaney |
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Yes, that is correct. Different nets and yes, it must "bounce" otherwise, you'd get hung up on everything along the floor.
Referring to dragging as "raping the ocean floor" is a simpleton view. |
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Y DEVELOP |
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I was agreeing with fenian that longlining is hard work but more species specific and yields a better product as compared to dragging. Nobody can say that
dragging is a kind method of fishing. It is easy quick and costly to the natural resource we are referring to - fish. I do not dare call myself an authority on
fishing in this city nor was I claiming to be. I wish you would read my posts before you imbued them with your own opinions.
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Damon |
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There are also some people who jig for cod etc. during the winter.
At present I think of longlining more for pelagics like swordfish and tub trawling for bottom fish but the idea is the same, a long line with short lines (gangions) with hooks every fathom or so or further apart with the multi mile long sets for big fish. There are lots of techniques for making otter trawls more species and size selective and rollers to prevent hangups. However I am speaking as a naval architect and not as a fisherman and I am not sure how well they really work. Backshore and Capt Joe would know far more about it than I. Damon |
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oldhippie01930 |
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This one, Dun, is a complete riot!
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Damon |
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That new big red boat, the Western Venture, is like part of an 11 million dollar investment in a Gloucester business. About six this morning boats were lined
up there to buy bait, as they are up at Capt Joe's.
After a prominent person in the community told me that the fishing was petered out and what remained could be parked at the fish pier, that investment was one of the things I showed him after pouring him in a whaler for a harbor tour. I can not think of many Main Street merchants who have invested 11 million in their businesses lately. I also took him down to the fish pier to show him that the North side was full of 150 foot long herring snatchers and the South side was full of a couple of hundred smaller commercial fishing boats in the marina and some big draggers and offshore lobster boats on the outside. I asked him where he would put the others, from ports all over New England, that are tied up at the Railways, Roses, Felicias, Intershell etc. I also showed him the recent shore side investments at Lat 42.5, G. House, Empire, Heritage Center, Intershell, Auction, Cruise terminal, Roses, Marine resources, Whole Foods, East Gloucester marine (the huge new concrete pier and float thing Joe keeps putting up on his blog) , GMR ...... Things are not great on the waterfront and there are serious planning failures such as the two Americold piers and the uplands of I4/C2 and a sewer plant that does not handle fish processing waste water. There is a problem with subsidized public facilities undercutting private facilities. There are days at sea problems and enforcement problems and it is not clear that those huge herring boats are a good idea for the overall seafood system. However the waterfront is supporting a lot of people and private property owners have made huge investments in facilities and boats over the last couple of years. One problem is that even people who are leaders in the community have not jumped in a boat to look. Damon |
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Dun Fudgin |
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oldhippie01930 wrote: I'll have to tell you about how I took that later in my blog. |
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