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pgncov |
Teacher raises | ||
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People on this board love to criticize teachers. I agree that there are too many expensive administrators in the school department but I have a question. How
much money does the City of Gloucester set aside in its budget for teacher overtime pay? I would guess none because teachers, like true professionals, do not
receive one cent in overtime for all the extra hours they work. They routinely stay after school to help struggling students, attend parent/teacher
conferences, go to meetings at night and weekends, chaperone student social events, and so much more. Every year the GDT has a list of the highest paid city
employees. Invariably most are members of the police and fire departments. I've never seen a teacher on that list. Says a lot, don't you think?
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Willard J Clinton |
More MTA-GTA Flim-Flammery | ||
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>>>People on this board love to criticize teachers. I agree that there are too many expensive administrators in the school department but I have a
question. How much money does the City of Gloucester set aside in its budget for teacher overtime pay? I would guess none because teachers, like true
professionals, do not receive one cent in overtime for all the extra hours they work. They routinely stay after school to help struggling students, attend
parent/teacher conferences, go to meetings at night and weekends, chaperone student social events, and so much more. Every year the GDT has a list of the
highest paid city employees. Invariably most are members of the police and fire departments. I've never seen a teacher on that list. Says a lot, don't
you think?<<< pgncove
This is more of the Teachers Union hiding behind the old meme that those who criticize this corrupt racket "hate" teachers or "hate" children. They're both preposterous, tired old ruses that aren't fooling anyone anymore, pgncove. The facts are that teachers are only contractually obliged to work 990 hours a year, and many if not most work a lot less than that when the crooked "sick bank" and other corrupt provisions of that rape of the taxpayers contract that the swindlers at GTA-MTA foisted on the taxpayers with the help of their crooked little City Hall toadies is taken into consideration. 990 hours is only a half a year for those working in the real world including the other municipal safety workers you target listed in that preposterous GD Times yearly report. If that report was compiled honestly and listed pay per hours worked, the top paid list would certainly be populated almost exclusively by members of the bloated GTA-MTA swindle. |
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pgncov
Better take a better look at the list next time , I have always seen teachers names on it. |
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Y DEVELOP |
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Farmer and gang usually make tops with the GPmen with the WORST family life to follow. You know multiple partners and a wife and lots of road details.
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pgncov |
Teacher raises | ||
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Sorry, but you people are not telling the truth. The only school department on the highest paid list are typically the superintendant and possibly a principal
or guidance counsellor like George Ramsden in Rockport. A classroom teacher would never be on that list unless they had a doctorate and twenty five years in
the system. Teachers do not receive, nor do they ask for, overtime. As true professionals they place the welfare of the students before their own. They should
be an example to all other municipal employees.
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Thong Extractor |
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pgncov wrote: What a fucking tired argument.I don't know where you get this overtime fantasy, the majority of the teachers are not putting in "extra" time. But let's say for the sake of argument they are working 2 additional hours every day of the "180 days" they actually work.Willards aveage salary is public info so take $57K/990 hours -that is $57 and hour now add on the additional 360/ hours a year in "overtime" and it is reduced to an average of $42 per hour. That doesn't sound like chump-change to me, how many of you would like to make between $42 and $57 an hour!!!! |
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MMickkeYY |
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The raise IF PUT IN PLACE will result in teachers being laid-off, unless new funding sources are found or an over ride LOL..is passed.
The math for hours/wages above is suspect! |
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Island Annie |
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Where are you getting your $57K average?
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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tyu12 |
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MMickkeYY wrote: where did you hear that teachers would be laid off? |
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MMickkeYY |
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tyu12 wrote: In my head! |
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Sigurdr |
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Ah yes, it is that time again, to rip teachers up and down. The teachers got a 1% raise for this year, only retro to Jan. which is less than a 1% raise
overall since school starts in September, so more like a 0.6% raise. So a teacher making 50k will get a gigantic $300 raise this year (before taxes). They
get a 2% raise for next school year ($1000 for that 50k teacher), which turns out to be a raise of about 2.6% or so over TWO years, wow. In this financial
climate, I guess you could say they should be happy they got anything, and teachers that I have talked to are...
Teaching is a good job, and they get good benefits and pay. Sure there are bad teachers out there (as in every profession), but the vast majority are good, care about the kids and put in more time than is expected of them. To simply say that they work 184 days, only half the year, thus are part time workers is unfair. I will give the case again of an elementary teacher, who needs to be at work around 7:30, and the day ends at 2pm. Any teacher worth his/her salt is working at least another 1.5 hours that day/night at home or at school, bringing the work day to 8hrs like us regular Joes (many teachers are putting in more time than this, some probably less, but that is a whole other question/issue). Not to pick on cops at all, but just for comparison, a cop works 4 days of a 6 day week, has 11 holidays paid, and if with the force for 10 years, has 28 vacation days by contract. so 4/6*365 = 243 working days, then subtract 10 and 28 for vacation and holidays to get 205 working days. So that works out to 21days more work/184days or 11.4% more work days than a teacher. That is not as huge a difference as some would have you believe. |
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MMickkeYY |
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Few here seem to be knocking what any public employee is paid....and there's aloto comparing apples to oranges going on...comparing cops to teachers? which
has more value? who works harder/ who's more important to the community? ....this is a destructive and devisive game....the reality is that the funds for
community services are shrinking, evertyone's fighting over a shrinking pie!...state money to communities is upside down with "rich" communities
getting more than poor. And the feds care more about saving iraq than glosta. Ya can't have the services you need and not pay...so it's either an
override or fewer cops/fire and teachers!
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globalwarmer07 |
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The concession line at Wingaersheek was out of control long on Sunday. Someone actually fainted in the line and the rescue squad had to come. People were
complaining and arguing. We gave up and ate at the Cupboard.
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Martin Del Vecchio |
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globalwarmer07 wrote: What size onion rings did you order?
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Gang of One |
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So what percentage of that $500 bonus will the PTOs get when the parents are in there helping them move their classrooms?
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flounda |
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They get a 2% raise for next school year ($1000 for that 50k teacher), which turns out to be a raise of about 2.6% or so over TWO years, wow.
--------------------------------------- That's more than any other city employee will be getting. Let's not here any more whining about the lack of supplies, aides being cut ,etc. Farmer, just shut the fuck up. While people are asking concessions from other city unions with no pay raise, the teachers get a raise with a few other perks to boot. Maybe all the unions should cry at the rotary. |
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OKCorral.abettercapeanno... |
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If they do indeed get a raise I would suggest that parents who volunteer should stop and I personally will not give another red cent to any school fundraiser.
"I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride, I'm wanted dead or alive"
BON JOVI |
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Willard J Clinton |
Unfunded GTA Pension Liabilities Will DESTROY This Citys' Future!!! | ||
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This raise and the corruption behind it is only the tip of the iceberg of how they're destoying this citys' future.
They've already bribed their stooges in City Hall and Beacon Hill to allow them to put twice as many teachers (200%!!!) as we need on the bloated staff. Now consider that they've also bribed them to allow retirement in as little as fourteen years, which means that instead of a normal work career of about 45 years before retirement like the rest of us, they will need an additional 200% to 300% more teachers over that same 45 year time span times the 200% swindle they're running now to keep the racket populated. The above dishonest practices will soon generate an excess pension capital requirement somewhere north of 500% of what it should be!!! All of these excess hacks are going end up on the pension, thousands of them, and when that happens the racketeers are then going to go after your children to try and get the $$$$$$$$$$ to keep them in the comfort they've become accustomed to!!! It gets even worse. The stooges at City Hall are not fully funding this system now, and they accumulate millions more in liabilities to this RACKET every year. They are not being honest about this building catastrophe in the city fiscal reports (guffaw!!!) or in the city books. There is already something approaching two retirees to every worker in the RACKET now (already an unsustainable situation in a bloated, corrupt defined benefit racket like they're running), and if they're not stopped soon the disgraceful $50 or $60 million unfunded liability they've already foolishly allowed to amass will be $100 million dollars in a decade at the rate they are expanding pay, staffing, benefits, and retirement eligibility. The present bloated and corrupt MTA-GTA system needs to be converted to a privatized system run by professionals who contribute to their own privately funded defined contribution retirement system like the rest of us before it is too late. If this is done now it may be possible to structure a legacy worker framework so that some of the older workers could retire on the old , unsustainable system while it is being phased out. As I said before, this latest pay-hike ripoff is only the tip of the iceberg.
Last Edited By: Willard J Clinton
06/10/08 05:33 AM.
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brainfix |
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Rabid Willard the rat, chewing on his favorite topic! Such a freak.
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Muffyhowards |
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Doesn't match the cost of living increase.
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