we the public pay for these bastard kids and its big money thats my point .public housing food and fuel asistance special ed and then court and jail
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Gloucester teens had pact to get pregnant!
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 mya crakstinks |
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(06/19/08 01:38 PM) |
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ckcaney |
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(06/19/08 01:55 PM) |
tyu12 - I agree.
We make this all too easy for them. There are no real economic (or today even socioeconomic) issues that are deterrents. |
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cp |
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(06/19/08 01:58 PM) |
mya........I agree whole-heartedly!!!
tyu-12 true, however, what do we do with the ones that are already dependant on the system? |
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Gang of One |
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(06/19/08 02:25 PM) |
tyu....you mean like how the death sentence results in fewer murders? I guess what we need are some workhouses, eh? Punish the kids we must.
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star squiggle |
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(06/19/08 02:28 PM) |
the saddest part of this for me is that these girls have nothing more to aspire to than single parenthood, welfare, low income housing, menial jobs and
bringing up their offspring to repeat, and their offspring to repeat, and their offspring to repeat....
I'd rather laugh with
the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun...
Last Edited By: star squiggle
06/19/08 03:04 PM.
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Gang of One |
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(06/19/08 02:37 PM) |
May I repeat my rant that ALL citizens/residents of the US be required to do public/national service for at least 18 months between the ages of 18 and 23? No
welfare for anybody who hasn't served...or am I sounding too Republican?!
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ckcaney |
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(06/19/08 02:41 PM) |
Gang, I see your comparison, but I see it this way, without the death sentence, we give out prison sentences - a very unpleasant experience to say the least,
not just the criminal, but the criminals family also suffers. The incarcerated family member causes a financial burden to the rest of the family who has to
live on the outside (sans their income and they have to send him/her money in the can), it's embarrassing or humiliating to the family, in other words,
prison is still a huge deterrent.
On the pregnant teenage side, we give them housing, the best health insurance around, food stamps, clothing allowances, what's the deterrent there? |
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Island Annie |
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(06/19/08 03:21 PM) |
I completely disagree that punitive measures are effective deterrents in the majority of cases. If that were true, we wouldn't have the enormous prison
population we do today.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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ckcaney |
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(06/19/08 03:45 PM) |
Not an effective deterrent? It's much tougher to commit crimes while in prison! LOL. I do see what you mean, but I don't want to derail into criminal
and prison population discussion. Especially as I'm sure many will be upset that I'm for the death penalty, which 100% prevents recidivism / future
crimes.
Back to teen pregnancy, right now we are giving the kids money, insurance, clothing, housing, a high five and a "don't you kids do this again", that doesn't seem to be working, some kids view it as a windfall. IA, in all seriousness, what ideas do you have that could help prevent teen pregnancies? Anything that we don't currently have in place? IMO, I think this is educational based and the lessons need to start at home (but what to do about the kids who have no chance at education from home?). Kids need to be taught how their current decisions affect the rest of their lives and how teen pregnancy limits their career and education opportunities and thereby, their overall chance at a success and happiness. |
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LilMsMuffet |
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(06/19/08 03:58 PM) |
Check out www.perezhilton.com.
He comments on this and includes a picture of JL Spears. It's interesting to look at the comments of those who read his page and compare to those of us who post here. |
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MagTownPlaya |
PEREZ HILTON HAS IT | ||
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(06/19/08 03:58 PM) |
YAY!!!
www.perezhilton.com |
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Gang of One |
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(06/19/08 04:01 PM) |
My point was that the extreme 'punishment' is no deterrent - be it the death sentence or not allowing support/welfare. No, let's indeed not get
into that issue....BUT, a true life sentence is a far better and equally effective way to end recidivism/future crimes than putting people to
death - and at less expense, given the MASSIVE amount of money spent on the constant appeals system. And we retain our humanity.
Your last paragraph above is right on, ck. Of course, the moment you start 'educating' kids at school about real life and the real world...the religious nuts start whining that their lives and parental jobs are being usurped. |
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Island Annie |
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(06/19/08 04:10 PM) |
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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ckcaney |
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(06/19/08 04:11 PM) |
"My point was that the extreme 'punishment' is no deterrent "
Understood, and your comparison gives us points to ponder and discuss. Your point made me stop and think. That said, I don't view (and perhaps not what you meant) suspension of welfare funds as extreme punishment. I'm thinking it's akin to having to pull oneself up by the boot straps. If these kids want to play grown up, then go ahead, find a job, support the family you created, I think they'll find it's not all that they may have imagined. Now, the "error" of teen pregnancy doesn't seem to have any financial or socioeconomic implications, so it leads to "why shouldn't I?". Again, education being number one, but just tossing ideas about other means of prevention. |
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globalwarmer07 |
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(06/19/08 04:11 PM) |
And the adult they live with get paid. And NO...the school should not do as much as they do for them. We have programmed these kids that it is OK to have a
baby in high school. Showers are thrown for them, they can bring the babies to school, get everything paid for. Sign me the fuck up.
Oh. oops. My bad. We are not allowed to speak of the corruption of the system on this board. |
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Gang of One |
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(06/19/08 04:23 PM) |
As usual, you are confused by all the apples and oranges, Globby. But no worries - we don't mind!
That 'boot straps' argument holds a fair amount of water, ck..but it spills out once you remember there is a baby involved. An innocent, didn't-ask-to-be-here baby. So we should cut them off before they've even spoken their first word? It's a quandry... |
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ckcaney |
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(06/19/08 04:43 PM) |
Global, shouldn't you and your kids be shitting in McD's right now?!
IA, simplified, but true and an important piece of the puzzle! Career choices become severely limited for teen moms/dads. |
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Island Annie |
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(06/19/08 04:55 PM) |
You have it the wrong way round.
A girl with career aspirations is far less likely to want to get pregnant.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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globalwarmer07 |
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(06/19/08 05:03 PM) |
CK. Just ran 'em thru Friendly's. Showering at the Y tomorrow.
Gang....Crossing over to my team??? Really, once you get inside the issues, the parties do start to blend. |
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ckcaney |
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(06/19/08 05:09 PM) |
" You have it the wrong way round.
A girl with career aspirations is far less likely to want to get pregnant." No I don't, I was agreeing with you! Was simply running the flip side of the statement, once you have a child as a teen, the aspirations evaporate since choices become so limited. So yes, I agree, a teen with career/college aspirations is less likely to throw them away! |
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