| Live Weather Stations: East Gloucester | Rockport | Sandy Bay Yacht Club | GoMOOS Buoy | |||||
Gloucester Inner Harbor
![]() |
Sandy Bay Yacht Club
![]() |
Sandy Bay Yacht Club
![]() |
Lanes Cove
![]() |
||
| Author | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
Dun Fudgin |
Time to re-think the Fiesta ! |
Lead | |
|
Tradition.......Blessing of the Fleet, Sunday Mass, the Procession,Sporting events,Carnival all St. Peter's Fiesta traditions. But what has it become? A
tradition of Drinking,Fighting and Brawling! Is corprate sponsorship to blame? Perhaps some with most sponsors in the alcohol industry. How about the location
of the Fiesta itself? Right smack dab in "barroom ally"! Last night at The House of Mitch one pregnant woman was cut up bad and had to be sent to the
hospital! Kids and their families stroll by these establishments on the way to the rides,great environment don't you think? And how about the fishing
industry? Struggling to make ends meet, gone are the days when the Blessing of the Fleet was just that! A hundred or more fishing vessels dressed in colorful
flags with decks packed with fishing families dressed in their Sunday best! No more,your lucky to see one fishing boat out there among the party boats and
pleasure craft. Maybe a new location for the Fiesta would help! Stage Fort Park comes to mind,after all that's where fishing started in Gloucester. Get it
away from the bars! Can you picture the alter built up against Tablet Rock? The Procession going along the boulevard? Then there's the sporting events.
After this weekend it became apparent to me the starting times should be re-thunk too. Someone on the Greasy Pole with a walkie-talkie so the announcer would
get the names straight would save time. Then there is the chant to St Peter. Every 4th or 5th walker starts the chant that sounds like "Moody Tuesday
I'm with Rudy...eat-a-po-taaaa-dough"! Maybe if they save it for the begining of each round that would save time too. And if things improve maybe St.
Peter himself will hear the prayers of the fishermen and the industry will improve!
|
|||
flounda |
|||
|
Sounds like a plan. I don't think coporate sponsorship is the cause on the drinking and brawling, that been going on for years. Remember the riot in the
early seventies?
|
|||
Dun Fudgin |
|||
flounda wrote: I was there! But not involed, I was talking to a friend when we saw a line of police in riot gear pushing the mob towards us. It was a sudden thunderstorm that broke it up. Walking home as I passed the police station bus loads of local and state cops were assembling getting in formation ready to march down Rogers St. But by then the storm took care of hostilities. It was a fight in a barroom and drinking that caused the melee. |
|||
Rocky Neck |
|||
|
the mass and religious parade today was incredible. The statues of saints, family, the emotion - beautiful. I attended the procession taking St Peter out and
to his place on the alter Friday night, and the mass and parade today.
I stay till 8 pm then go home. Don't like the bar rooms, stay out of them. |
|||
Thong Extractor |
|||
|
Tell me that fat donut eating cop isn't driving that brand new 4 wheeler thru the salt water! He looks like he should be walking anyway.
|
|||
Gang of One |
|||
|
..on water?!
|
|||
adambomb |
|||
|
I was right next to the ATV, people where drinking right in front of him. He didnt bat an eyelash. I honestly didnt care either way as they were being
respectful.
|
|||
oldhippie01930 |
|||
|
Most downtown business owners would probably disagree, but I feel Stage Fort Park would be a much better venue for the Fiesta. Alcohol is a personal decision,
and overdoing it is oftentimes a victimless choice. But when certain personalities do it in a crowded environment it's not unusual for all hell to break
loose. So why not keep the booze in the bars or at private parties? The park would provide a better family environment, allowing cookouts and beaching along
with the festivities. It would also be easier to police than the city streets. I agree, Dun, it's time to rethink the Fiesta.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit
|
|||
Rocky Neck |
|||
|
I am sure the Fiesta committee will never relocate to Stage Fort Park.
|
|||
oldhippie01930 |
|||
Rocky Neck wrote: You're probably right about that, RN!
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit
|
|||
flounda |
|||
|
I am sure the Fiesta committee will never relocate to Stage Fort Park.
------------------------------- Don't they need to get a permit every year? |
|||
Mothership |
|||
|
Adambomb, I was told by somebody (cannot remember who - foggy memory
) in police a few years ago that they have to "pick & choose their
battles" during Fiesta. I had complained because my kids were even younger and I was horrified at the open display of drinking (and being drunk.)
Maybe NS can explain it if it is true. I was told that if they arrest every single person who is drunk or who is drinking in public (and not causing trouble) that they would spend all night at the station doing paperwork instead of protecting the public. They needed to watch for the potential "problem" people in the case of fights, drunk driving, or harassing/menacing behavior. A few years ago, one of my friend's 12 year old daughter was stopped and surrounded by about 3 drunks while she was walking down the sidewalk by the Old Timer's. They would not let her pass. She was singled out and was with a few other girls. She was not dressed provocatively but she also did not look 12. She looked a bit older but probably a very young teen at most. Eventually, a policeman saw what was going on and stopped it but not one passerby tried to help her. Her "group" of friends (all girls) were too afraid to do anything and just stood across the street. Her parents were around the area checking in by meeting at certain times at the bleachers but that scared them and her enough that she got a cell phone and they also discussed how to handle the situation should something like that ever happen again. IMO they let the law slide on public drinking & drunkenness to better protect the City as a whole. Just what my take is. It may not even be true but that is what I was told. The same goes for the parade and those that get a bit tipsy on the sidelines.....
"I will be as harsh as truth and as uncompromising as justice...I will not retreat a single inch - AND I WILL
BE HEARD." - Wm. Lloyd Garrison
|
|||
Mothership |
|||
|
Dun, I agree with you on "rethinking the Fiesta" and it's location, but I don't think we will ever see that happen in our
time. Maybe when a few more generations are gone. There are still people that have great respect for the religious honoring of St. Peter and where the
"fisherman and Italians" want that to be: the Fort.
The same people fighting against the brew pub would be the same (and then some) fighting to keep it where it is. The "bar room alley" people would fight forever: it is their biggest revenue time of year! Who knows - change can happen and does? I do hear you on that....it's a shame.
"I will be as harsh as truth and as uncompromising as justice...I will not retreat a single inch - AND I WILL
BE HEARD." - Wm. Lloyd Garrison
|
|||
Dun Fudgin |
|||
|
Is that our mayor in the window in red holding a brew?
|
|||
Foresta Gump |
|||
|
Dun, I have to say your post saddens me so much. As a young girl, I spent the whole of Fiesta weekend at my Grandparents house down the fort. I marched in the
procession for years. first as a young girl in my white dress, later dressed as one of the Saints, and as I got older, marched with the St. Ann's Color
guard. We were allowed to roam around the Fiesta and check back in at Grandma's every hour or so. Back then, Fiesta was a safe and fun place to be and
everyone knew each other respected each other, and watched out for each other's kids.
I disagree that St. Peter's Fiesta should be moved to Stage Fort Park solely for the reason that it all started at the Fort, where the people who brought the tradition with them from Sicily lived. They came to a new country to go fishing for their living, learned how to speak English, most became naturalized citizens and worked hard for a better life. They continued the tradition in their new country of having an annual festival to pray to St. Peter for the safe return of their fishing fleet Mostly then it was the Novena and the procession, along with eating a lot at each other's homes. They did it all in the confines of the Fort where they lived and to even think about moving the Fiesta to another place is unthinkable IMO. It's tradition. Unfortunately the Fiesta has gotten to be well known throughout the State and even the country and people come from all over to attend. With that comes some people who do not have respect for what Fiesta is supposed to be all about. They see it as one big block party with a good excuse to get drunk. It's very hard for me to believe that is the Gloucester born children and grandchildren who were raised in this town that would bring a knife to the Fiesta and want to start fights or hurt people. The real locals would not do something like that. (I know, I sound naive) but I really believe that those who love and respect Gloucester wouldn't behave that way during Fiesta. This type of behavior is brought in with those who come here from cities/towns where it is the norm. They could possibly even live here now, but grew up in areas that much more urban than here and have a different outlook on things. I have not been to the Fiesta in the last few years and in a way I'm glad. I think of going every year, just to be able to see some old friends, to give a hug, a kiss to someone I have not seen in awhile and enjoy the music and get the "Fiesta feeling". Then I think of how rowdy and pushy people have become and the thoughts of dealing with that type of behavior makes me change my mind and I don't go. Again, that makes me sad. I guess I'll just keep my fond memories of all the wonderful St. Peter's Fiestas that I enjoyed from the day I was born until I stopped going. That will keep it alive in my mind and in my heart. And those memories will always be of it being at the Fort, where it belongs. Viva San Piedro!
'LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF CHOCOLATES...YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET'
|
|||
oldhippie01930 |
|||
|
It truly must be sad, Foresta for those to whom the Fiesta means tradition. I agree that the problems are caused not by people who feel as you do, but by those
for who the Fiesta is just another party excuse, and could care less about the origins and meanings. For these people the parade, Mass and blessing are for
entertainment value. Unfortunately, because Gloucester is more and more a summer tourist Mecca, the crowds are more and more comprised of outsiders who really
do not understand it. It would be a shame to have to move it, for the reasons you point out, but it would also remove it from the downtown party set.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit
|
|||
brainfix |
|||
|
Just separate the two parties. Families go to Stage Fort and the partiers go downtown. What's the big deal? More parking at Stage Fort anyway. Greasy Pole
and seine boat races remain where they are. The cops could then concentrate on the rowdy partiers and stop trying to parse a huge crowd for knuckleheads.
|
|||
seaworm |
Ruining the 4 wheeler | ||
|
Cool, look at the lard ass riding the four wheeler in SALT water. That will soon be a ball of rust. LOL
|
|||
brainfix |
|||
|
That may be a trick of the camera, though look where both wheels are. Water moving!
|
|||
flounda |
|||
|
Why not keep the religious aspect , procession etc. at the fort and move the carnival to stage fort park.
|
|||
brainfix |
|||
|
Exactly, flounda.
|
|||
sidebar © ezdesign