OK, we get it.... you are another Kirk-hater. All your points are are valid ones so take out the name-calling and write a letter to the editor. Chances are
that Kirks advisors will come to the same conclusions you have and realize the idea is not feasible. The lady has only been mayor for a short time and at
least she is coming up with ideas and getting people thinking about ways to improve the city. I know of no political stances that do not have opposition of
some sort.
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(07/23/08 10:09 AM) |
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earthtogloucester |
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(07/23/08 10:32 AM) |
No spinncognito, I'm not a Kirk hater here. I am just shocked that this person, who has been entrusted with the incredible responsibility of managing
Gloucester's serious fiscal and financial problems, would be so NAIVE. If she is really serious about this proposal, one must question her basic
competency with regard to the major underlying task that the people of Gloucester have engaged her to take care of. So my point goes deeper than just
opposition to a political stance or an idea that may or may not be feasible. My point is to question her basic competency and judgment. A person possessing
sound fiscal judgment and basic competency, as well as a true understanding of Gloucester would have spent about 10 seconds considering the "water
shuttle" proposal. Captain Kirk, by moving forward in a serious way with this silly proposal, has demonstrated to me that she is not up to the task,
i.e., she is in fact a NUMB NUT. Earth to Gloucester. OVER.
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(07/23/08 10:35 AM) Administrator |
Do I sense that you don't like the idea, earth?
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Damon |
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(07/23/08 11:05 AM) |
I think the idea is to provide mooring and/or temporary slip space for visitors. Eastern Point Yacht Club guest moorings require a taxi ride to go shopping or
dining. The inner harbor is crowded, noisy and smelly and also provides little mooring or dingy or slip space. The Stage Fort area might work out but requires
a shuttle service, either over the road or over the water. Rocky Neck and East Gloucester and even downtown are most readily reached from Stage Fort by water
rather than over the Cut bridge and around by road. In my opinion it is worth looking at carefully.
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(07/23/08 11:18 AM) |
Old Hippee-If the City Clerk's Department had sent out all of the post cards to dog owners instead of just the people who had mutiple dogs and they had
enforced the dog licensing law then the city would now be $80,000.00 richer, but the clerk's office stated that they could NOT afford to buy, stamp and
send the cards out, thus only 400 went instead of 4000. So, I urge the Mayor to take a good look at this one. Simple solutions can make lots of money!!!!
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mya crakstinks |
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(07/23/08 11:23 AM) |
the dock is a good idea but the ferry is to big to work maybe try it on a smaller scale first
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(07/23/08 11:29 AM) |
a basic understanding about what Gloucester is all about. I do wonder if Gloucester is still "about" what you think it is.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934 |
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flounda |
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(07/23/08 12:04 PM) |
Old Hippee-If the City Clerk's Department had sent out all of the post cards to dog owners instead of just the people who had mutiple dogs and they had
enforced the dog licensing law then the city would now be $80,000.00 richer, but the clerk's office stated that they could NOT afford to buy, stamp and
send the cards out, thus only 400 went instead of 4000. So, I urge the Mayor to take a good look at this one. Simple solutions can make lots of money!!!!
-------------------------------- I agree , if the city just enforced the ordinances and collected unpaid taxes and took advantage of potential revenue , it would bring in a fair amount of cash. |
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earthtogloucester |
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(07/23/08 12:05 PM) |
Temporary dockage for boating visitors is not a priority, sorry. The boating elite somehow mange at the present time. However, I agree, improving the dockage
situation for visiting boaters it is something worthy of exploring further. That being said, the proposal to site such a dockage area at Stage Fort is just a
plain STUPID IDEA, it is incredibly short sighted and quite frankly shocking. Fitz Hugh Lane painted the area of the BLVD. where the "dockage" is
proposed. The area today looks exactly as depicted in his painting, made what ---100 years ago? There is a reason why Fitz Hugh Lane chose to paint the view!
ITS BEAUTIFUL. LEAVE IT BEAUTIFUL. Stage Fort PARK is a PARK. LEAVE IT BE. Half Moon Beach is one of the most under-rated and beautiful areas of the City.
LEAVE IT BE. We all should rise up in great anger when government proposes utilzing a PARK for commercial purposes. ITS OUR PARK, you don't take it away
and give it to a developer, and you don't manipulate its purpose by entrusting a municipaility to form and operate some type of quasi-commercial entity
based upon a half baked business scheme. Especially when such a scheme at best will cater to the desires of a few hundred generally weathly individuals who
need a place to dock their boats a couple of times a year while they most likely stay put, pop up some lightening and enjoy the couple of bottles of wine they
packed for the ocassion. GET REAL. We are not dedicating any more Stage Fort PARKS any time soon. Maybe a dockage area would be a good thing, maybe it just
might generate some revenue for Gloucester businesses. But it will never generate any serious revenue for the City, and by any measure of sanity, Stage Fort
PARK is not the place to locate it. Coupling the construction of a "transient dockage area" with a City owned and operated "water taxi" is
a stinky idea. Coupling the construction of a "transient dockage area" with a City owned and operated "water taxi" located at Stage Fort
PARK just makes the proposal reek more, like an uncovered truck load of rotten herring heads left sitting on the State Fish Pier after a four day heat wave.
Earth to Gloucester. OVER.
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pogy |
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(07/23/08 12:33 PM) |
The mastermind of this idea wants a marina , a 500 foot dock for dinghys and storage of kayaks whats the dinghys for a marina and moorings in the harbor.
by the time the epa & dep review the site it will be dead. remember how much we spent on the ell grass for the CSO over 300k to move & restore plus fines. |
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Damon |
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(07/23/08 01:20 PM) |
I do not understand why so large a shuttle ferry is being proposed, but assume that the scale will be discussed.
Damon |
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captjoe06 |
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(07/23/08 01:59 PM) |
They must have spoken with the folks at CATA and George Schlicte to get an idea of what is needed.
I can't imagine they would just wing it without speaking with those that have tried it first. |
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drinkycrow |
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(07/23/08 05:49 PM) |
Wasn't there a seaplane port at 10 Pound Island at one time (Damon). I remember my father telling me that. I don't think the mayors idea is that crazy,
except it has been tried already and did not really work out
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pogy |
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(07/23/08 06:53 PM) |
the sea port was a USCG base
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Damon |
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(07/23/08 06:58 PM) |
Yes, pogy has the seaplanes right. There was also a fish hatchery.
Damon |
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HowDoYouRate |
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(07/23/08 07:05 PM) |
Earthtogloucester stop making sense it's useless here!
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Dun Fudgin |
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(07/23/08 07:58 PM) |
Running a dock near the tennis courts out towards the cannons would be ideal. Good protection from storms and water deep enough for most vessels. And if done
right it could be pleasing to the eye and fit right in. Perhaps a nice seasonal berth for the Adventure and Phyliss A. as well!
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seaworm |
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(07/23/08 08:18 PM) |
I have no issue with this concept, just what has been left out of the "plan". Has anyone ever been to Winter Island Park in Salem? They have about
120 rack spaces for dinghys which people use to get to their moorings in Salem harbor adjacent to Winter Island Park. The city could install many hundreds of
moorings on the western side of the harbor which could go to long suffering residents (the working stiffs who pat the taxes). Forget the lame argument about
how rough it gets there at times. The mooring field off of Winter Island is very exposed to a Northeast wind and people do just fine. You can only use the
dinghy rack from May 1 to October 31 thereby keeping boaters out of the worst weather months.
The taxi and the visiting dockage are fine but they don't do much for the residents of Gloucester. Maybe some benefit to businesses who get the trade visiting "yachts". That's fine too. There would be outcry from the lobster persons (how PC can I be?) as to loss of fishing area to the moorings. Having been a lobsterman for a long time I am of the opinion that real lobstermen leave the harbor for the ocean. The vast majority of the lobsters that summer in the harbor are there to shed and mate and migrate out of the harbor in the early fall anyway. Restricting fishing for lobsters in the harbor would actually benefit the stock eliminating a lot of handling of soft lobsters etc. In other words the lobsters will get caught by the good fishermen regardless, just in a slightly different place and time after the vulnerable shedding season. What a stupid concept, logical lobster stock management that also allows adding moorings. You get revenue and happy boaters. So a mayor who wants to get the Gloucester version of a Profiles in Courage award will add 400 moorings for the taxpayers of Gloucester to this plan and make it work for the majority of people. |
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brainfix |
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(07/23/08 08:21 PM) |
There will never be enough volume to justify the expense.
However, CATA bus service on Cape Ann is now a viable concept. Right, Damon? |
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