what in Gods name would we call LDingie for his pure hatred of Bush? Any nominations.?
Oh, that's easy --- The Antidote to Willard's Pure Hatred of Clinton...
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what in Gods name would we call LDingie for his pure hatred of Bush? Any nominations.? Oh, that's easy --- The Antidote to Willard's Pure Hatred of Clinton...
My goodness, what a fuss you're making! - Dorothy
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us. - John Gardner The Old Mermaid's Tale: The Video | Mark S. Williams' F/V Black Sheep | Sponsored by Parlez-Moi Blog |
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oldhippie01930 |
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Independents and Democrats despise Bush because of failures in all aspects of the presidency, while Republicans hate Clinton because of his having gotten a
blowjob. Which one seems more valid? Which is more closely related to the job expectations?
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Gypsy |
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Yeah, I really don't care who a President screws but Bush has screwed the entire country --- and for
generations to come, too.
My goodness, what a fuss you're making! - Dorothy
True art is moral: it seeks to edify life, not to debase it, to hold off, at least for a little while, the twilight of the gods and of us. - John Gardner The Old Mermaid's Tale: The Video | Mark S. Williams' F/V Black Sheep | Sponsored by Parlez-Moi Blog |
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Tis is pretty funny.......because it's so true!���� |
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leftwingnut |
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Yes, of course, the right-wing morons aren't happy with how things are going, so they blame the "librul" media... the idea that their moronic
policies of their moronic candidate and their evil, sleazy party have anything to do with it...
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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leftwingnut wrote: Now that you mention it, cause and effect awareness doesn't seem to be a neocon strong suit.
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Island Annie |
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Many of us who were Hillary supporters realize that Obama does not "walk to work on the Potomac," as was once quipped about Joe Lieberman, but we
will vote for him anyway. We are used to having candidates who are human and flawed.
Most of those Democrats who had respect for McCain in 2000, no longer do so, as he is so far up Bush's butt that he can no longer be looked at as an admirable maverick. Attached to Bush's ever shortening coattails, McCain is starting to look more and more like the floundering Bob Dole. One expects him start yelling "where's the outrage?" at any moment. Except that there's plenty of outrage - at the war he supports. It makes me wonder how conservative you have to be to consider him "more like a Democrat." He is anti-choice; has zero respect for women; is more supportive of the military-industrial complex than he is of the actual soldiers; and his health care plan, which allows people to be excluded from coverage for pre-existing conditions (like pregnancy and a previous c-section), is a non-starter. But serious people do not believe he will do anything about health care anyway. Oh sure, McCain will siphon away a few Hillary voters- those upon whom Hillary shamefully, but successfully, played the race card; those who fear the new and unknown; and those who feel that though the Weather Underground may have been a terrorist organization, the anti-government militia types of the 90s were heroes of their age. Truth be told, I did not think that Hillary would get their votes in the general election even if they helped her gain the nomination. These people are a bit out of touch with the modern age, harkening back to a time that's long gone or never really existed in the first place. Fighting the last war - - so to speak. Such people far more readily identify with McCain, that's understandable. If McCain wins, Bush supporters can take comfort in the idea that not much will change. The current economic malaise will be extended as we lose ground economically and environmentally. Science and innovation will continue to be discouraged as a matter of policy. Rungs on the ladder of opportunity will continue to disappear, driving more of the working class into the military. Of course, that will be necessary, as we continue to treat those with whom we disagree like recalcitrant children. Americans who stay at home will tell themselves they are safer. Those of us who like to travel will be increasingly vulnerable. I do hope that Obama's campaign regains momentum, and I'm pretty sure it will do so after the convention. He's not that different from any other politician, and he's certainly no miracle worker, but he is far better than the alternative.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934
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Excellent points IA. I agree whole-heartily.
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Y DEVELOP wrote: I'll second that...
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.-Theodore Roosevelt, The Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918 |
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I agree with parts of that...
I don't think much will change, and the health care thing freaks me out.. I don't think too many Hilary supporters will vote for McCain.. I just don't like either one |
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Y DEVELOP |
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Zanny you seem like a smart person but very misguided on the political scene. You never got back to me on the Obama tax info I posted.
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Zannylicious |
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I missed your question, Y...
I don't think I am misguided... I have my foundations on political beliefs, but as of right now... no one is meeting them... Bush really messed things up, don't get me wrong... I would like to see the country get out of the economic mess it is in right now, but I just do not see how it's going to happen with either candidate. |
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Y DEVELOP wrote: Thanks for posting this Y.... Sometimes one just does not know what to believe.... I need to think about all of this
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Sigurdr |
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I think Y is referring to the fact that only those making over $250k would see tax increases under Obama...
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Y DEVELOP |
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Republicans typically give corporations a free ride and shift the burden to the middle class. While at the same time shovelling them a load of crap. They fill the agencies which are to protect us with cronies and give them our money to boot. Yeah, the dems believe in social programs but wouldn't you rather your money going to some impoverished kid than a fat man in a suit? I just don't get it when normal people such as yourself aligns themself with a nasty party like the Repugs. It doesn't even make good sense to your situation. |
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Island Annie wrote:
Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008
During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up "a gentleman named William Ayers," who "was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He's never apologized for that." Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama's answer: "The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George." Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers's Weathermen tried to murder me. In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called "Panther 21," members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we'd call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night. I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother's pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn't leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS. For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn't have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck's siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn't fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed. Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family's life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers's wife, promised more bombings. As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Translation: "We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch." When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: "I don't want to discount the possibility." Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his "politics of change." Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends' and supporters' violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama's own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation. At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: "I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire." Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I. John M. Murtagh is a practicing attorney, an adjunct professor of public policy at the Fordham University College of Liberal Studies, and a member of the city council in Yonkers, New York, where he resides with his wife and two sons
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However, there are things that can be done in the tax code for corporations that benefit the middle and working class. For instance, instead of giving a
company a tax incentive to move operations overseas, why not offer a grant to those companies who are willing to train Americans to fill that "skills
gap" we keep hearing about.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
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Island Annie |
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99, you've either misread, or deliberately twisted what I wrote. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm pretty sure I know what the
truth is. Ridiculous.
"How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently
allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!"
-Eleanor Roosevelt, 1934
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Obama's answer: "The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George" This is the story involving Obama. The rest is John Murtagh's experience which has nothing to do with Obama. Why you continue to harp n such a baseless relationship is quite confusing. Although John M's experience must have been very scary and semms to be unresloved. It seems he has more issues in common with Ayers than Obama does. Really, what is the msg to this story? Obama is a terrorist? Another talking point for the right. Please tell me you have something more than this. |
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Agent99 |
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Island Annie, mea culpa, I did misread your intention, in part perhaps because your statement makes no sense. Are you then suggesting that supporters of terrorist organizations like the Weather Underground, those who view them them as heroes, would support McCain over Obama? Are you serious?
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